and who has the right to tell me how to parent my children? agian you are attacking parents who spank they arent attacking you for not. your telling me how to parent my child im not tell ing you
That was from the link
you provided, remember? The one that supposedly told of the virtues of spanking children, which in the end basically said that you should not speank your children. As I said, good link.
Do you want to know who has the right to tell you how to parent your children? The State. And the Government has laws in place governing how you parent your children. From whether you feed them or not, to whether your parenting skills are sufficient and if you are found to be lacking in how you parent your children, you can find your children removed from your care entirely.
yes i did.. if i didnt what other option am i missing? please inform me ill add it as in my scenario it still wont work
I'm not supposed to tell you how to parent your children, remember?
taking toys away from some children does nothing they will just get another toy. are you going to take every single toy away? even then somehave a great imagination their shirt could be a magic shirt to teleport them around. IE taking toys away wont work.
But hitting them with your hand does?
Righteo.
they are human beings yes but they dont have the same rights as an adult.
Why don't they have the same protection against assault and battery that adults do? Why does it not span the full range as it does for adults or even dogs?
and yes they do have fewer rights than an adult.. can a child drink? can a child drive? can a child smoke? can a child fly alone? can a child buy a gun?, no they cant. but an adult can if I use your mindset then a child can do all these things. they have less rights than an adult as they should..
Children do all that and more, and sometimes with adult supervision. You do realise that if adults allow children to do the above, then it is the adults who get into the most trouble, correct?
read above. But to add to that, under your "adults and children have the same rights" a child should beable to drive and buy a gun. and drink. soo since they ahve the same rights give your 2 year old a loaded gun as an extreme example. who is going to get shot first you or the child, they dont know what the gun is capable of. if adults and children have the same rights then why can you legally marry a 10yea old? they have the same rights dont they.
And here we reach the grasping at straws argument for trying to determine why you should have the right to hit another human being because that other person is below the age of 18. At some point, I am hoping you will realise that it is adults in charge of the child who have to ensure their children's safety, and not allow them to drive on public roads, not allow them to purchase or use a gun (although in some states, I understand that some children can register for owning a gun?), not drink alcohol and not supply them with said alcohol due to the damage it can do to them. Everything you have cited points to the protection of children and actually goes against your reasoning as to why you should be allowed to raise your hands against a child simply because you are that child's parent. You can call it spanking or smacking all you please. At the end of the day, it is still the action of actually hitting a child.
If that is the case, then I should be allowed to "spank" the people I work with who do not do as I say and simply just don't get things or don't listen to orders. Correct?
So far this debate has not focused on the premise I would like to present, that spanking is not abusive nor has it shown to be effective.
And you and others who support corporal punishment have yet to present
any evidence that it is to the benefit of the child and not the adult. Evidence I still await. You have posted on how to spank, but not how you claim it benefits a child. Please post some evidence of the benefits of spanking a child.
We are currently debating human rights, and of course children have different rights than adults; however, that premise does not necessarily apply to the topic of spanking. I mean to distinguish between spanking adults and children merely because the topic of conversation is meant to be focused specifically on children because they are the targeted group of individuals, becuase I am not aware of any group of adults that faces spanking as a form of consequence.
Interesting. Human rights law find against the use of corporal punishment. Treaties defining the rights of the child define spanking or corporal punishment as an abuse and assault of the child.
First, it is essential to define "assault" and continue the debate from there. Furthermore, it is important to differentiate between physical and emotional assault. By questioning whether it is unacceptable to assault an adult and not a child, it is assumed that spanking qualifies as a form of assault or inappropriate physical contact. My premise relies on the arguement that spanking does not qualify as a form of assault because it does not cause long term physical harm. It may, however, be correlated with emotional strain depending on the situation. Therefore it is irrelevant whether spanking is abusive to adults because we are talking about children.
Go to the legislative site of your State and look up the definition of assault. And then examine carefully what happens when one spanks a child. Assault does not have to cause long term physical harm to be assault. Nor does it have to cause mental or psychological harm.
read above weather you like it or not they do have differnt rights thats been proven and shown in many many many different ways
Not only has it not been proven, it has not been shown at all by those who support the stance you are taking.
Again, I await the proof with bated breath.
No, they have a mental disorder and even if you explain to them why some will not understand why that is a whole different subject
But if hitting them with your hand on their backside works, why wouldn't you do it? After all, they are children in an adults body.. Mentally they are children. So why wouldn't you spank them?
no i would not, unless it was direct family my brothers/sisters parents
Would you state exactly when you would allow for your children to be spanked?
no i wont because odds are if im sick i will know what i have if i dont get better in the time i think it should take i will go to the doctor either way thats irrelivent. studies have show one thing im proof of the other.
And I am proof and have seen proof of the opposite. I have provided evidence and proof for why corporal punishment is detrimental to the child. Please provide proof that it is to the benefit of the child.
The teacher who spanked the deaf child for not listening should have her credential revoked, you cant punish the child for not listening when her body physically wont allowe her. and exactly what long term effects have you had that came only and directly from getting spanked by your 3rd grade teacher?
Abject fear of getting anything wrong and a psychological fear of mathematics. Nightmares that still rear their ugly head even today. A complete and utter mistrust of teachers. And a hatred of a person and a desire to do violence to a person if I were ever face to face with her again. That is the worst part actually. Hating someone so much for the whole of my life that I actually want to hurt them.
You see, to that teacher, I was merely spanked or disciplined. The scars and bruises on my body, which lasted for months on end, show that it went beyond a mere spanking. And that's the thing. You cannot know that another person will be able to control themselves.
But apparently, I should be thanking her for correcting my terrible ways. I went from a straight A student in maths to one who breaks out in a cold sweat at any mere and simple mathematical equation. Statistics exams, which were compulsory at university, had me throwing up violently for 2 weeks before the exam.
as for studies unless your a psychologist you cant debate this nor can i. i gaurentee if you talk to one they will not ever say this study has shown 100% of the children had long term problems.. you and i can quote the exact same studies and say studies have shown that there is no long term effect from spanking. because in studies some patients do have effects and some dont
You have yet to quote any studies. So that is a moot point, isn't it?