Firstly from one of your other posts:
"For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes.." (romans)
This same very thing was said by many when they laid claim to receiving golden teeth from god. It's so easy just to create anything you want to as and when it suits knowing full well you never have to show any evidence or prove any claim you make. Those who were dragged off to dentists were all proven as frauds.
The very principle in life of needing evidence is paramount. Without the need for any evidence or proof to suggest a claim it completely breaks down the difference between truth and fiction, right and wrong.
I can now state i can fly. I have true faith i can fly. Without jumping off a roof who's to say i'm wrong, including me? And thus throughout our entire lives we can just make up any old shit we want in order to get what we want. It's fraudulent. Ok, you might in your heart believe it to be true, as i do with my ability to fly, but basing your life on such pointless act of 'just believing because it suits' is frankly rather pathetic. You're in a rather difficult position i will admit.. If you do you get this wonderful eternity to float around space, if you don't however- if you even consider denying the faith with no evidence clause you burn forever. Well, fuck it, might aswell add that to the list- sure i'll have faith in that- because i have absolutely nothing to lose. It's irrelevant if it's true or not- truth is never an issue in life. I am now one of you christians. Don't expect me to read the bible though- what's the point? It's not like anything that says is gonna make a difference. I don't need evidence, not that the bible supplies much anyway, i just need to believe whatever i want- or should i say need.... because if it is true i do not want to burn.
If i wanted evidence i could just drink poison- jesus told me with faith in him the poison would be harmless.... Doh! he also said we can't test god.... perfect. Oh but wait.... who gives a shit, i don't need evidence anyway.
To base your whole existence in such meaningless style is truly sickening.
When man commited sin, he stopped trusting God, instead he believed the Devil who he had never before met. There were two trees in the garden (well more since it was a garden but two central ones...), the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
I've spoken about this at length before. Until they had eaten the fruit from the tree of
knowledged of good and evil they would not have known what good or evil was. They wouldn't have realised what a sin was, what listening to the devil instead of god meant etc.
"Jesus told him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. '"
You interpret this as the son of god telling people how to get to god? I interpret this as some arrogant jewish carpenter handing out a lot of self-righteous, and self-promoting garbage in order to get himself known, rich and a gorgeous young blond wife. People have been doing exactly the same ever since.
Snake said: Shall we just 'accept' and have 'faith' that god gives his worshippers gold fillings? Can you understand the worthlessness of 'acceptance' and 'faith'?
No. God's worshippers aren't perfect, God is. How is faith worthless if:
I wouldn't claim worshippers of anything were anywhere near perfect. I think you missed the point. These people had absolute faith that god have given them gold teeth. Without the need to prove the claims they're worthless. That person just has the faith, like my faith in flying, because they can. The minute they're dragged off to the dentist they're all shown as frauds- By which stage they don't even acknowledge that fact they just continue with the same faith. It's mentally damaging. They grab a belief so firmly to heart and would die believing it, even if its shown to be nonsense. The 'faith' controls them. Faith starts off at one stage and then just keeps dragging you deeper and deeper into anything the mind can conjure until you drown. Fact does not work in that manner. You find something, get evidence, analyse etc etc and eventually end up with fact. Once it's a fact you say "ok then, what's next" and thats the end of it. One progresses and actually answers questions- the other just does whatever it wants and has no need to back itself up.
"I can fly"
"Cameras take photographs."
The second one is openly testable and completely undeniable. When we want to take photo's we buy a camera.
The first one will never be tested and has absolutely no value whatsoever. Undoubtedly you'll disagree, and such is your choice to- it's not like you need to supply evidence to the contrary.
"I can fly, i can turn invisible at will, i can deceive lions into thinking im an elephant and my house is actually a 13th century castle but only appears like a house to the mortal eye."
It's an in-depth analysis which i touched upon in another thread, if you remember, you responded for a while.
There are some parts that aren't as clear as others, I will give you that
But of course who cares? It's not like anyone has to find reason to those unclear parts.
however God's plan for salvation through Jesus Christ is clear.
Indeed. Don't ask, don't question, just think whatever you want and done with it. Bravo. Btw, did you know i was round your house for dinner last night but i wiped the memory of everyone there so nobody remembers?
Firingseed: Worthwhile posts as always. Congrats.
