By God you'r right... an one of the reasons my religion is the best... we change our beliefs when we realize that ther wrong... an im so thankful to the church (NACA) i found several years ago.!!!
A-Man.TTT
The church you found or founded?
By God you'r right... an one of the reasons my religion is the best... we change our beliefs when we realize that ther wrong... an im so thankful to the church (NACA) i found several years ago.!!!
A-Man.TTT
The church you found or founded?
Well... when you put it like that
By God you'r right... an one of the reasons my religion is the best... we change our beliefs when we realize that ther wrong... an im so thankful to the church (NACA) i found several years ago.!!!
A-Man.TTT
Which church is that?
Yes those are my beliefs also;;; its perty neat to do what you want all you'r life an then get saved on you'r last day.!!!
Jesus does not save anybody just because he claims to follow Jesus. Jesus requires results. And you pretty much, have to work for your salvation. So, its not a matter of Jesus saving you. Rather, its a matter of Jesus showing you the way to salvation, so that you work it out yourself. Its pretty much a Do-It-Yourself kind-a-thing.
That's scripture that scapegoat riders try real hard to ignore.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.
Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As above so below.
If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?
That is what a good God would do.
Regards
DL
Jesus is a Neutral Law, that God put in the Human Spirit. And the Father of Jesus, is God, and Man, the Image and likeness. Jesus does what He sees His Father doing. Create Hell, he gives you Hell. Create Heaven, He gives Heaven. He is you own creation, as an Intelligent Spirit.
Jesus does not save anybody just because he claims to follow Jesus. Jesus requires results. And you pretty much, have to work for your salvation. So, its not a matter of Jesus saving you. Rather, its a matter of Jesus showing you the way to salvation, so that you work it out yourself. Its pretty much a Do-It-Yourself kind-a-thing.
Jesus does not save anybody just because he claims to follow Jesus.
Jesus requires results.
Results like... sin less.???
To say that Jesus is natural law is foolish.
But you are correct that we create our Gods. We always have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_complex
And then we stupidly forget that we have created them.
Regards
DL
BIGFOOT said: ↑
Jesus does not save anybody just because he claims to follow Jesus.
Jesus requires results.
cluelusshusbund said: ↑
Results like... sin less.???
He requires people to do as He tells them, and as he does. He is not impressed by lip service
So, you think its foolish? Well that is what he said;
“Meanwhile, let the sinner go on sinning, and the unclean continue to be unclean; let those who do good, continue to do good, and those who are holy continue to be holy. Very soon, now, I shall be with you, again, bringing the reward to be given to every man, according to what he deserves. I, am the Alpha, and the Omega, the First, and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Happy are those who will have washed their robes clean, so that they will have the right to feed on the tree of Life, and come through the gates into the city" Revelation 22:11-13
He requires people to do as He tells them, and as he does. He is not impressed by lip service
“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.” Luke 6:46-49
The interesting point to me is that God created man and allowed him to be capable of sin (free will argument I guess) and in order to allow himself (God) to forgive man for his sins he allowed Jesus (which is God) to be killed as a sacrifice to himself.
So he created the problem, and sacrificed himself to himself?
The ultimate oddity of the whole Christian concept is that God created Man (more or less) for the sole purpose of worshiping him (since the only purpose and reward for life on Earth is the Afterlife).
Wouldn't it be easier to just skip the whole earthly phase and just create Man directly in heaven to amuse and flatter God with his praise?
It's interesting that a common theist question for atheists is "What purpose is there in life for you if there is no God?". When actually there is no purpose in life on Earth for a theist except to serve and worship God. The only meaningful purpose for Man in Christianity comes in the Afterlife. Life on Earth is essentially a burden.
Also, why create an imperfect Man, set the standard to be like God, and then punish Man for not being able to reach the unobtainable standard?
God is the creator. So, he created the universe earth included. Why? God is Consciousness. He creates to express consciousness. So creation is expression of Consciousness of God. But the realm of Manifestation of Gods creation, exists as an unconscious Law. So, even if God manifested creation, creation manifest appeared as unconscious law.
Man was created perfect, but taught himself evil.
The interesting point to me is that God created man and allowed him to be capable of sin (free will argument I guess) and in order to allow himself (God) to forgive man for his sins he allowed Jesus (which is God) to be killed as a sacrifice to himself.
So he created the problem, and sacrificed himself to himself?
The ultimate oddity of the whole Christian concept is that God created Man (more or less) for the sole purpose of worshiping him (since the only purpose and reward for life on Earth is the Afterlife).
Wouldn't it be easier to just skip the whole earthly phase and just create Man directly in heaven to amuse and flatter God with his praise?
It's interesting that a common theist question for atheists is "What purpose is there in life for you if there is no God?". When actually there is no purpose in life on Earth for a theist except to serve and worship God. The only meaningful purpose for Man in Christianity comes in the Afterlife. Life on Earth is essentially a burden.
Also, why create an imperfect Man, set the standard to be like God, and then punish Man for not being able to reach the unobtainable standard?