Christianity is based on substitutionary atonement. Is it a moral religion?

BIGFOOT said:
Don't you understand? God did not kill the Christ! Man, killed the Christ. Man brutalized tortured, mimed, and murdered the Christ. God resurrected the Christ, and clothed the Human Spirit, with the Christ, but He refused to heal the Christ. “ A man can have no greater love, than to lay down his own life for his friends. You are my friends. If you do what I command you.” John 15:12-14 There, he says it. He laid down his life for you. And now he tells you, So, every Man must heal the Christ. So, in as much as God is said to have sacrificed the Christ, in truth, Christ sacrificed himself. So, just as Christ sacrificed himself he now tells every man to sacrifice himself!! “Anyone who does not take his cross and follow my footsteps is not worthy of me” Mathew 10:37-38
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Hogwash. God killed Jesus. Read your bible.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Man was not even created when your A hole God decided that Jesus was to die.

Regards
DL
 
StrangerInAStrangeLa said:
Jonah 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
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God is said to know all things. How is it he did not know in advance that they would change their ways?
He had to. Right?

These all show that God does not change his mind for the reason stated.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
1 Samuel 15:29 And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind,
Psalm 110:4 The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind.

Regards.
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
God is said to know all things. How is it he did not know in advance that they would change their ways?
He had to. Right?

These all show that God does not change his mind for the reason stated.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
1 Samuel 15:29 And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind,
Psalm 110:4 The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind.

Regards.
DL
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What it shows is that it contradicts itself & cannot be trusted.
 
kx000 said:
It's God he lives by ideals, what else makes one God but goodness.
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Gods vary in goodness yet none are very good. Some hardly demonstrate any goodness. Goodness is never 1 of the main factors. The god being discussed in this thread is the epitome of evil. IF goodness meant 1 is a god then I would be a god & a much better god than any I've heard of.
 
StrangerInAStrangeLa said:
Gods vary in goodness yet none are very good. Some hardly demonstrate any goodness. Goodness is never 1 of the main factors. The god being discussed in this thread is the epitome of evil. IF goodness meant 1 is a god then I would be a god & a much better god than any I've heard of.
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I believe when the term God is taken literally is implys goodness.
 
Greatest I am said:
What ideal made God torture King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it because of his anger with the King?

Tell us please.

Regards
DL
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Couldn't tell ya. I never even knew that was in the bible. I'm very picky when it comes to the verse I let into my heart. Some of the bible is actually very devilish you have to be careful.
 
I put it short because, well, I'd be repeating myself at length with something you literally would dismiss because it differs from your own belief system. But if you insist:
Substitutionary atonement has a great deal of precedence in the Hellenistic society that spawned Christianity. Many cultures practised animal sacrifice, and some practised human sacrifice; the purpose of these depended on the rituals, but some of them were done to purify a group or a community by way of killing or exiling a proxy individual. Normally, this was a livestock animal, but in very extreme circumstances it was a human. When the subject was a human, exile was predominant to killing.
Its morality is questioned because we have the luxury of a modern perspective. But doing so is ignorant and completely contrary to core principles in the social sciences and historical study. You do not take things out of their proper context and presume to judge them with your modern ideas of morality. You have to place them in context and examine them structurally, as part of the situation they came from. To do otherwise is, as I said, ignorant.
 
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Killing someone is accidental or justified or murder. There is no proper context which justifies murder. Not even frenzied fantasy and/or cultural conformism peculiar to any time, place or group.
 
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