JeffTheLearner said:
Well actually Horseman42 I've made many points on page 4 of this post and barely anyone refuted anything concerning most of what I put there, most of my arguments were simply to show 'Intelligent Design' thus, the high possibility of an incredibly intelligent Designer.
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M*W: How creepy would that be, to have "an incredibly intelligent designer" out there controlling every aspect of our human lives! You fail to make your point.
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JeffTheLearner said:
Some of my points were to prove the superiority of Christianity, (not as a religion, but in a personal relationship.)
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M*W: Christianity is not superior however you may look at it. It's invention is suspect, it's duration is bloody, and its promise for the future is lacking in validity. Forget your belief that you will see heaven when you die, if all you're looking for is a "personal relationship," Christianity is your worst nightmare. You worship and adore it, and all it does for you is give you empty promises of a mythological dying demigod savior. You people have got to be the dumbest lot in the world.
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JeffTheLearner said:
Some people made no point they just thought it was kosher to insult me instead. And some made valid arguments, and some made retarded arguments. As to the proving of Yeshua as, existing you have more then 4 different accounts in the bible alone, which according to 'Foxes Book of Martyrs', and other documents the followers of Yeshua Himself believed to their own hurt, both by gruesome deaths, and by rejecting personal wants.
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M*W: Those "4 different accounts" you refer to were propaganda and nothing more. Paul influenced the gospel writers long after he wrote the NT by the insistence of his Roman compatriots. The Bible is not an historically accurate document, Jesus was no savior, and Paul was one of the greatest liars whom ever lived. This is the crap you believe in. Why on earth would anyone on this forum NOT insult you?
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JeffTheLearner said:
You have unearthed documents from the Sanhedrin of the time in the D.S.S, explaining the death of Yeshua. You have Roman documents. You have testimonies from the enemies of Israel testifying of Yeshua, your have the Gnostic documents that have been recently unearthed that testify of Yeshua, you have many documents of just regular people of the land and their testimonies and much, much more, I did not even get into the archeological proof.
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M*W: Since you purport to have extensive documentation of Jesus, please cite references to:
1) documents from the Sanhedrin of the time in the D.D.S.
2) official Roman documents.
3) testimonies from Israel's enemies testifying of Yeshua
4) gnostic documents that testify of Yeshua
5) documents of just regular people and their testimonies, and
6) your archeological proof.
These data will be be discerned without bias by the religious scholars on this forum.
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JeffTheLearner said:
As to the older books you have documentaries like 'The Exodus Revealed' and 'Search For The Real Mt. Sinai' which cover an array of topics, concerning the Exodus, and the real location of Sinai which is not the Sinai Peninsula because that was Egyptian territory, and it clearly states in scripture that they left the land of Egypt, and went into the land of Median, but anyways, you have lots of archeological proof concerning an array books.
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M*W: Older books are fine as references, but unfortunately more extensive research has been done since the older books were published. Modern biblical scholars and archeologists confirm that there was no exodus out of Egypt led by someone whose name happened to be Moses. No artifacts have been found in those digs to confirm it. Regardless of what Jayleew seems to believe, no gold Egyptian chariot wheels have been found covered with coral in the Red Sea. In fact, the Red Sea was not even in the original exodus myth, it was the Sea of Reeds, and it was an allegorical sea noted for it's life-giving properties. Even the name "Moses" means "taken from the water." As you recall, Moses' mother made a basket of reeds and put him in it, and he was withdrawn from the water and became royalty. All allegory, nothing more.
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JeffTheLearner said:
You have consistent reports among many ancient cultures of a world flood, you have bitter Egyptian Historians, documents from the Persian era referred to in the bible, still in existence, Enemies of Israel and their royal documents, there is just tons of proof pointing to the accuracy of the bible.
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M*W: There are more ancient reports from Sumeria that mention a global flood, but Noah's "flood" was not the original. The Bible is nothing more than copies of copies of copies of more ancient myths. Even Native Americans have their own flood myth. Without these flood myths, how could the ancients explain how the Earth got populated? All life arose out of the water. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Bible doesn't contain tons of accuracy.
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JeffTheLearner said:
For the last thing make note of this, despite all other religions, concerning Judaism and Christianity, these are faiths that burden people according to the indulgence of the 'sin nature', they both require, and place many responsibilities on any form of government and their leaders, it is not an attractive faith, and it would be a faith that all governments would reject, if they could. Many people reject truth, and do it easily, but some know truth when they see it, and cannot reject its requirements. But when you establish a personal relationship with God, and diligently seek Him, and get into His presence (which too many to mention will testify of the Power of His presence manifesting with myself added to that), you find out that your 'sin nature' is the burden, and to be set free from it makes you truly free, with true freedom, and great freedom to love, to love people in truth and not like a hypocrite.
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M*W: Monotheism stems from sun worship by the ancients. Life arose out of water but was nurtured by the sun. Ancient humans believed the sun to be god; hence, monotheism evolved from that. Abraham, himself, (if he existed) was a polytheist. Moses (if he existed) worshipped the sun Aten-Ra. The Jews ended up worshipping the monotheist god YHWH, the god Moses saw on the Mount -- the god Moses' created. Even the Ten Commandments were earlier than Moses. They came out of the Code of Hammarabi. There is nothing new under the sun. If you study religion closely, you will see that every story, every myth will lead you back to the most basic form of worship -- the zodiac. There are no gods but the ones we create.
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JeffTheLearner said:
So thats all for now, I did not mean to type this much I wanted to make a short comment, but Oh-well. If you want me to get in dept as to why Christianity is the faith that excels all faiths, in truth and wisdom, ask and I'll start another tread concerning this topic.
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M*W: Don't bother wasting everyone's time trying to prove that "Christianity excels all faiths." You just won't be able to make your point on this forum.
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