Yeah, the real demons are waiting to be unleashed. And that will be something that will make even atheists shiver with fear.
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Yeah, the real demons are waiting to be unleashed. And that will be something that will make even atheists shiver with fear.
OMG lightgigantic, you are too cryptic, probably necessarily so, and in that way, it's too bad you weren't a humanist. There's nothing wrong with causing people think deeply, but why take people to the supernatural when there's so many natural things that are super
OMG lightgigantic, you are too cryptic, probably necessarily so, and in that way, it's too bad you weren't a humanist. There's nothing wrong with causing people think deeply, but why take people to the supernatural when there's so many natural things that are super
Like Humanity
who knows, maybe it can bring us together?
Anyway, I'm buying 5 fishing poles, a small boat - screw the world!
Hey babe, I'll trade ya some fresh fish for a blow... hehe... just kidding!
Anyway, back to the thread topic.
EVEN IF you are a theist - could you post a similar reference in your own beleif? Something that you can not or will not do for fear of offending, disappointing, or down right pissing off, God.
if you had only ever dined on cold pizza you would probably think it was pretty far out, even in the association of people who had eaten hot pizzaOMG lightgigantic, you are too cryptic, probably necessarily so, and in that way, it's too bad you weren't a humanist. There's nothing wrong with causing people think deeply, but why take people to the supernatural when there's so many natural things that are super
fineHumanity is the epitomy of all life and Earth is the purest of any planet
How about that for religious claims?
if you want to give an argument that atheists can philosophically enter through with a front end loader ....
Firstly, stop derailing the OP topic
Secondly, it's difficult to have a "serious" conversation with someone who believes in Xenu the Alien Overlord and refuses to even acknowledge that even the possibility could exit that Xenu doesn't exist.
Thirdly, there is no such thing as race.
Fourthly, returning to the topic at hand.
I wonder, why, do you suppose, Ron Hubbard wrote this material (Xenu Space Opera) was "calculated to kill anyone who attempts to solve it."
Why write such a thing? Especially given that Scientology the word means “the study of knowledge” it just seems so paradoxical? I just don't understand it??? It ...well ... it, almost reminds me of the all forgiving all loving God who sends humans to burn in hell fire for eternity.... ... hmmm wait a minute.... :bugeye:
Secondly, it's difficult to have a "serious" conversation with someone who believes in Xenu the Alien Overlord and refuses to even acknowledge that even the possibility could exit that Xenu doesn't exist.
Thirdly, there is no such thing as race.
Fourthly, returning to the topic at hand.
I wonder, why, do you suppose, Ron Hubbard wrote this material (Xenu Space Opera) was "calculated to kill anyone who attempts to solve it."
Why write such a thing? Especially given that Scientology the word means “the study of knowledge” it just seems so paradoxical? I just don't understand it??? It ...well ... it, almost reminds me of the all forgiving all loving God who sends humans to burn in hell fire for eternity.... ... hmmm wait a minute.... :bugeye:
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You don’t even know what Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
You think disbelief and denying the existence of the Holy Spirit is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when it is not.
One has to believe in God and demons to be capable of blaspheming the Holy Spirit as it is revealed in the scriptures.
Why are you so incapable of understanding basic scriptures?
Funny that.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Fair enough comment.
But, my point wasn't so much as to be about being balasphemous and more about the fear of being balasphemous. Which in turn can even mean the fear of thinking.
Why is it, do you suppose Adstar, that R Hubbard wrote: warning that this material was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it."
I can only think of two reasons:
1) He truly believed that if you thought about Xenu Space Opera you could screw up your thetan level, ow whichever, and become sick.
OR
2) By thinking about it a bit, you might actually come to the conclusion it's all made up.
Now, that isn't to say religion and fear didn't have it's time and place, but, now-a-days, in the civilized societies (both East and West) the fear part of religion really isn't needed for most people.
In our foxholes?
Respect cruel & absurd makebelieve? Then I couldn't respect myself.
You don't understand. So you condemn.
No.
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Firstly, stop derailing the OP topic
Secondly, it's difficult to have a "serious" conversation with someone who believes in Xenu the Alien Overlord and refuses to even acknowledge that even the possibility could exit that Xenu doesn't exist.
Why? What " serous conversation" do you want to have with them ?
Any religion, worldview, philosophy or however it is to be called
needs to be (presented as) a matter of life and death
if it is to have real potential to be acted upon consistently.
Anything that is less than a matter of life and death has poor chances of being acted upon consistently.
Riiight. People should not fear pollution, the crash of the economy, no, they should just fearlessly continue in their usual civilized ways ...
As if thinking would be such a good thing.
Most of our thinking is really just regurgitations of old vomit. Makes one wonder why anyone would be infatuated with thinking.
Simon Anders
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I do not think it is in the Bible, but I am not a scholar. Because of coming from a family that was either Christian or christian-atheist - ie. an atheist position primarily formed in reaction to the God of the Bible and the Christian church - I always found it a relief when in other religions or in the struggles of certain mystics doubting the existence of God and even getting pissed off at God were seen as normal, par for the course and unavoidable. There was one guru in India - I cannot remember his name - who would get very angry when one of his disciples died. He was not the sort to talk a lot but he spoke passionately on these occasions and one raised his fist to the heavens.
I came in contact with another guru there who said that what your relationship with God is is not important, only that you have a relationship. If you doubt God exists, tell God that.
(by the way, I am not putting forward their reactions or ideas as 'the truth'. I just think they are related to your OP and perhaps interesting.)
I also noted in certain Hasidic teaching stories that supposedly holy men had rather brusque and not very Christian talks with God on occasion. I also found this freeing somehow.
In the writings of mystics you find dark nights of the soul, often, and other periods where one goes through profound doubt. This is not taken as bad.
I think the Christians - and other religious people - who have this zero tolerance attitude are deeply afraid of their own natures. They see the slightest bit of doubt or questioning as the start of a slippery slope.
Poor them, stuck in a very tight box.
Since one can only manage this is a good dollop of denial, it must be like wearing blinders.
Why would i care for what R Hubbard wrote ?
Fear is an important thing because it is a great motivator to prompt people to seek. Why would anyone study and investigate volcanoes if volcanoes never had explosive and disastrous eruptions? I suppose some would study volcanoes but not with the same urgency that life and death outcomes motivate many researchers today.
fear is a beggining:
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Fear of the Lord leads to that fear being removed by discovering the Love of the Lord. Most would not not seek without an element of fear to motivate them.
1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Why would I care what superstitious primitives wrote?
Ignorant raving. If volcanos never hurt anyone, we'd study them as much. Sometimes I think we don't study dangerous things enough.
The vast majority of science is not about that.
You're contradicting yourself.