*************Red Devil said:
M*W: I'm glad to finally see someone here who knows the truth about Jesus, MM, and the church of Rome. What books have you read on the subject? Let's compare notes.
Books refuting the Jesus Myth
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M*W: I'm glad to finally see someone here who knows the truth about Jesus, MM, and the church of Rome. What books have you read on the subject? Let's compare notes.
Translation SouthStar, translation. He had probably been out on the town and said "I can do anything, I feel Like God" or he was high on something or other? 
Anyway, as I just staed, as the bible has been reworked according to the dictates of Rome, who knows what was original or doctored now.
Anyway, as I just staed, as the bible has been reworked according to the dictates of Rome, who knows what was original or doctored now.*************Katazia said:
M*W: These people never cease to amaze me with their religious programming. The people who wrote these third hand accounts never even knew Jesus because they didn't when he was around. That's even debatable.
davewhite04
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Katazia said:
Hiya Kat,
If Jesus wrote a Gospel would this convince you that he did exist? I will assume not, so are you sure that Darwin did exist and he did in fact write the origin of species(pretend to be in the year 4000 to make this a fair test)?
Dave
Dasvewhite04,
What Darwin did was essentially discover the fact of evolution, if Darwin had not done this then it seems that such a discovery would have been inevitable and made by someone else.
The difference between Jesus and Darwin is that the existence of Jesus is essential to the integrity of Christianity. If the Jesus stories are simply mythology then Christianity is just a fraud. But evolution is true whether Darwin existed or not.
But you cannot say the same thing about Christianity, since you cannot show that a god exists and the historicity of Jesus is also highly dubious. Without some degree of credible factual evidence the gospels are indistinguishable from myth.
Does that help.
Kat
The fact of evolution is not dependent on whether Darwin existed or not. In his autobiography Darwin stated his satisfaction at his two contributions to science. The first was the establishment of evolution as a fact and the second was his theories that began the journey of explaining how evolution occurred.
What Darwin did was essentially discover the fact of evolution, if Darwin had not done this then it seems that such a discovery would have been inevitable and made by someone else.
The difference between Jesus and Darwin is that the existence of Jesus is essential to the integrity of Christianity. If the Jesus stories are simply mythology then Christianity is just a fraud. But evolution is true whether Darwin existed or not.
But you cannot say the same thing about Christianity, since you cannot show that a god exists and the historicity of Jesus is also highly dubious. Without some degree of credible factual evidence the gospels are indistinguishable from myth.
Does that help.
Kat
white_poplar
Registered Member
I believe that jesus did exist.. But his title "the Son of God" was a lie.. And also the confusing concept about Trinity..
What is very annoying is Christians, when they first approached you, they never ever mentioned about that.. Always very friendly, open.. etc. But really the reason behind is converting s/o. I have some one knocking at my door the other day, with a leafleft: "How to save water". But inside it talked about Jesus & Christianity.. Do they have to lie like that? And why do Chrisitians feel superior than un-believers? Because of their faith, and that they have been "saved"? But what happens if they do terrible actions?
I have great respects to true Christians.. But.. yeah.. Christianity.. a lot of its concepts camefrom Paul, not Jesus
What is very annoying is Christians, when they first approached you, they never ever mentioned about that.. Always very friendly, open.. etc. But really the reason behind is converting s/o. I have some one knocking at my door the other day, with a leafleft: "How to save water". But inside it talked about Jesus & Christianity.. Do they have to lie like that? And why do Chrisitians feel superior than un-believers? Because of their faith, and that they have been "saved"? But what happens if they do terrible actions?
I have great respects to true Christians.. But.. yeah.. Christianity.. a lot of its concepts camefrom Paul, not Jesus
white_poplar said:
Christians feel "superior"? Hmm.. isn't Christianity founded on emulating Jesus' humility?
Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean you should generalize..
And just Who did Paul recieve his "concepts" from then?
§outh§tar said:
I'm not happy about it -- I just roll with the punches. If I see something is a lost cause, I'll work towards something more productive.
Heh, and it's a rare sight to see a humble Christian. Just because something was founded on someone's humlity, it doesn't mean their followers will act the same. This is what makes Jesus Jesus and his followers his followers. If everyone were humble as him, they'd be like Jesus as well but they aren't.
When it comes to every religion, once their founding prophet dies, the religion is no longer what it once was.- N
davewhite04
Valued Senior Member
Katazia said:
Not really. Apart from the liberal use of the word fact it was a well written reply nonetheless, thanks.
Dave
Katazia said:
medicine woman
your list of books did not contain the bible
after all thats just another book written by man
if you read the accounts of his aledged life they are contradictory
as you say it's just a fraud
your list of books did not contain the bible
after all thats just another book written by man
if you read the accounts of his aledged life they are contradictory
as you say it's just a fraud