Certainly crazy, but metakrons last post makes a lot of sense: Ickes "reptiles" are simply a metaphor for the stupid rulers of our civilisation. If I read that correctly?
Not a metaphor. Icke has stated in a few of his books that they ARE reptiles from another dimension and have been observed to shape shift back to their natural form. They also drink fresh blood from sacrificed babies (and apparently has personal testimony from an ex-member of the Queen's household).Ickes "reptiles" are simply a metaphor for the stupid rulers of our civilisation. If I read that correctly?
To state that you'd have to define the "natural" limits of human behaviour and attitudes - and then show that these "lizards" fall outside of these limits. History (and in some cases personal experience) shows that humans are pretty much capable of anything. World leaders or not... one example is the woman who, after her children were asked not climb into the neighbour's garden by the wife next door actually petrol-bombed that house to get back at them for "telling her kids off". Not what I'd call a rational (or even proportional) response, but she thought it was warranted.These facts make little difference when their behavior is as that of an alien lizard creature from Hell.
MetaKron said:Geoff, if you look back on the thread, you will see that it may be wise to clarify which is the former and which is the latter.
Those who wish to push a "dialectical materialism" view of the universe might find it more effective to comport themselves as professionals, or at least as individuals who understand the value of courtesy.
There is something about the knee-jerk emotional reactions that people display when defending their view of "reality", those who think of themselves as members of the establishment, that just screams emotional insecurity and poor knowledge of their own subject.
This includes the typical derision of allegedly strange points of view.
Such habits are useful to those who do not want the establishment view to be challenged.
They are needful because so many such views cannot honestly face any honest challenge.
The establishment side always devolves into derision, dishonesty, even intimidation and if possible silencing.
The sum of this touches on what we are doing here. The idea that there is no such thing as shapeshifting aliens is harder to debunk
when we have an establishment that makes such a habit, even institutionalizes the habit of undermining its own credibility by taking every opportunity it gets to behave unprofessionally and discourteously.
This seems as good a place as any for such a speech.
Fantastical notions such as shapeshifting aliens may well gain their only credibility from the lack of character of those who deny them and the poor quality of the denials.
Those who want to define reality for the rest of us need to clean up their acts.
GeoffP said:...giant talking lizards simply don't exist;