(1) truth, facts, evidence, logic, reason, mental health,....
(2) any person who is not being fed propaganda is by definition more free than those that are.
best arguments against religion (no theists)
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(1) truth, facts, evidence, logic, reason, mental health,....
(2) any person who is not being fed propaganda is by definition more free than those that are.
The best argument against religion is the arguments for religion... there aren't any that make any sense.
You just need to figure out what "propaganda" is!
@lightgigantic --
Straw man argument. We don't measure any brain activity with a unit, but that doesn't mean that it can't be measured, and the tool we would(and have) use to measure it is the same one we can use to measure all brain activity, the MRI. And forget taking a picture of love, with an fMRI we can make a movie of it.
Straw man argument. We don't measure any brain activity with a unit, but that doesn't mean that it can't be measured, and the tool we would(and have) use to measure it is the same one we can use to measure all brain activity, the MRI. And forget taking a picture of love, with an fMRI we can make a movie of it.
Indeed! That is the real question.
And this movie is then what you give your family and friends for Christmas and expect them to be happy with it?
Can these MRI's distinguish whether the love is for the wife, or for the mistress?
Can these MRI's distinguish whether the love is for the wife, or for the mistress?
the one on the left is for the children,the one on the right is the lover..the one in the middle is the spouse...
So when Arioch provides proof (ie. the MRI image) to his wife that he loves her - he tampers with the evidence or what?
@Signal --
Whether or not anyone is happy with the video is irrelevant. The point is that the standard theist tactic of trying to equate god with love(in that they are both supposedly something that we can't measure or have direct evidence of) is a fallacious argument based on an incorrect assumption. We can and have taken such pictures and videos, and the results are fantastic evidence that love is just another emotion in the brain and not some metaphysical wonder.
What makes you think that these "types" of love are functionally any different. People leave their wives for their mistresses all the time, and people decide to stay with their wives and leave their mistresses all the time as well. It's sounds like the mechanisms behind the emotion would be the same to me, what makes you think that they would be any different?
@NM --
Have I mentioned that I like it when you're snarky?
Whether or not anyone is happy with the video is irrelevant. The point is that the standard theist tactic of trying to equate god with love(in that they are both supposedly something that we can't measure or have direct evidence of) is a fallacious argument based on an incorrect assumption. We can and have taken such pictures and videos, and the results are fantastic evidence that love is just another emotion in the brain and not some metaphysical wonder.
What makes you think that these "types" of love are functionally any different. People leave their wives for their mistresses all the time, and people decide to stay with their wives and leave their mistresses all the time as well. It's sounds like the mechanisms behind the emotion would be the same to me, what makes you think that they would be any different?
@NM --
Have I mentioned that I like it when you're snarky?
Really?
I didn't see anyone making that argument here.
So when a woman tells you she loves you, or when your children tell you they love, you reply
Love is just another emotion in the brain and not some metaphysical wonder
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Well, it kinda matters to the wife, and the mistress ...
@Signal --
Yes, really. A thing is what it is regardless of whether or not anyone likes it.
The only reason I mentioned this in the first place was to head off LG who had already attempted to make a similar comparison in this thread. Hence the "and don't start with..." part of my post. I guess that I forgot that I'm dealing with a theist who has an at best loose understanding of science and what science has accomplished in the past century or so.
That we can explain a thing doesn't reduce the wonder of experiencing a thing. I've been in love and it's an experience that is without equal(and I've also been medically dead for over two minutes), you might even say that I love(read, truly enjoy) being in love. However that doesn't mean that the mechanics of love have to be anything but materialistic, and the materialistic explanation fit's all of the evidence to a T.
What? The fact that humans are by nature serial monogamists is somehow a bad thing now? It might matter to them, but it doesn't matter to the truth of the situation.
Yes, really. A thing is what it is regardless of whether or not anyone likes it.
The only reason I mentioned this in the first place was to head off LG who had already attempted to make a similar comparison in this thread. Hence the "and don't start with..." part of my post. I guess that I forgot that I'm dealing with a theist who has an at best loose understanding of science and what science has accomplished in the past century or so.
That we can explain a thing doesn't reduce the wonder of experiencing a thing. I've been in love and it's an experience that is without equal(and I've also been medically dead for over two minutes), you might even say that I love(read, truly enjoy) being in love. However that doesn't mean that the mechanics of love have to be anything but materialistic, and the materialistic explanation fit's all of the evidence to a T.
What? The fact that humans are by nature serial monogamists is somehow a bad thing now? It might matter to them, but it doesn't matter to the truth of the situation.
Measuring without units?
Now that is a novel concept ...
(BTW MRI's do measure in units - that's why they are called Magnetic Resonance Imaging
- although where you would go from correlating such imaging to love is just as much poppycock as measuring without units)And the "truth of the situation" is, of course, more important than anything else.
Wait ... where did I hear that? That's right, Tomás de Torquemada and his team were famous for this kind of thinking!
Show us that your acceptance of this kind of reasoning is not the result of various cognitive biases and psychological defense mechanisms.
Really fascinating stuff, the images... they never cease to amaze me.
so it gets me wondering what that really means, you know, some waves that are localized... by the way the one you're showing looks really deep the little spots in the center, down by the meninges I guess, sort of a hindbrain thing going on there maybe... just wondering, you know love could be very primitive, thus explaining (as in Darwin's comments) the tenderness a mother gorilla shows the infant.
still- it always makes me wonder why this is so. why those waves mean this. and where this (the emotion) is really existing since I can't deny the existence of my own emotion, I just can't fathom how it exists. Just a big mystery. I guess if I was inclined towards theism, I would be relieved to dump all my mysteries into one big bundle and call it God.
so it gets me wondering what that really means, you know, some waves that are localized... by the way the one you're showing looks really deep the little spots in the center, down by the meninges I guess, sort of a hindbrain thing going on there maybe... just wondering, you know love could be very primitive, thus explaining (as in Darwin's comments) the tenderness a mother gorilla shows the infant.
still- it always makes me wonder why this is so. why those waves mean this. and where this (the emotion) is really existing since I can't deny the existence of my own emotion, I just can't fathom how it exists. Just a big mystery. I guess if I was inclined towards theism, I would be relieved to dump all my mysteries into one big bundle and call it God.
Are people things?
It can and as far as I can tell it does quite often out there. Living entities are now seen as replaceable, and infinitely tweakable genetically. They are seen as biological machines - despite 20th century physics.
We don't know this yet.
Or you are taking a movie of the effects of love or something that has a correlative relationship with love.