beer woman spared a good old fasioned caning

lets just say its the best my piddling intellect can come up with within the context of the quotes utilized

now
does "awful" mean invalid?
if so, why?

do you dispute the premise that america has a dual system of justice?
 
Gustav said:
does "awful" mean invalid?
if so, why?
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Because Americans aren't born into the military, nor forced to stay there for life. Military justice only applies to adults who have freely and knowingly entered into a contract to subject themselves to it for a prescribed time period.

Gustav said:
do you dispute the premise that america has a dual system of justice?
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The point here is that America does not have a confessional system of justice.
 
so, how is the woman doing? Has she left the country? Has a new date for the caning been set? Does anyone really care about her?
 
quadraphonics said:
I care more about the millions of Malaysians being intimidated out of one of the great joys of life: beer.
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Why? Its only deemed foreign interference, a means of establishing lax western secular standards where it isn't wanted. The people of Malaysia are pretty sophisticated, I say if they want to lobby the government on the woman's behalf then they should do so.
 
quadraphonics said:
Because Americans aren't born into the military, nor forced to stay there for life. Military justice only applies to adults who have freely and knowingly entered into a contract to subject themselves to it for a prescribed time period.
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so? injustices should prevail rather than be corrected? while military law may antecede the constitution, it is the latter that has primacy. any contradictions should be resolved in favor of the primary law of the land

besides, conscription technically lays waste to to your argument

quadraphonics said:
The point here is that America does not have a confessional system of justice.
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sure it does
what do you think plea bargaining is?

1633: Galileo gets house arrest from the Inquisition in exchange for his reciting penitential psalms weekly and recanting Copernican heresies.

/snicker
 
lucy said:
Why? Its only deemed foreign interference, a means of establishing lax western secular standards where it isn't wanted.
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So observing, from an outsider's perspective, that there are some goofy and disturbing aspects to this sharia law business, is "interfering" and "establishing standards"?

gustav said:
besides, conscription technically lays waste to to your argument
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Among the many problems with conscription is its enrollment of the unconsenting into categories (however temporary) of people subject to onerous regulation.

One reason we don't have it any more.

But that does not begin to equate with establishing such categories at birth and for life, by ethnic religious affiliation.
 
iceaura said:
Among the many problems with conscription is its enrollment of the unconsenting into categories (however temporary) of people subject to onerous regulation.

One reason we don't have it any more. .
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The Selective Service System is a means by which the United States maintains information on those potentially subject to military conscription. All males between the ages of 18 to 25 are required by law to register; as of the end of 2008, the names and addresses of over 14 million men are on file. (link)

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iceaura said:
But that does not begin to equate with establishing such categories at birth and for life, by ethnic religious affiliation.
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no it does not equate
however it is paralleled thru the employment of different criteria...... adulthood, sex and citizenship

as for your "unconsenting".....

In 1980, men who knew they were required to register and did not do so could face up to five years in jail or a fine up to $50,000 if convicted. The potential fine was later increased to $250,000


ah of course
not in your neck of the woods
not for you and yours

iceaura said:
So observing, from an outsider's perspective,
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ah yes
the ugly american
 
Gustav said:
so? injustices should prevail rather than be corrected? while military law may antecede the constitution, it is the latter that has primacy. any contradictions should be resolved in favor of the primary law of the land
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WTF are you talking about?

Gustav said:
besides, conscription technically lays waste to to your argument
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That would have been a nice try, back when the Vietnam War was still on.

Gustav said:
sure it does
what do you think plea bargaining is?
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We need a rimshot smilie...
 
gustav said:
The Selective Service System is a means by which the United States maintains information - - - (link)

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The mere threat of actual conscription was enough to cast doubt on W's wars - he was forced to deny the possibility in public (via minions).
gustav said:
no it does not equate
however it is paralleled
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The scale difference matters, and the parallel is not significant - making the distinction one of involuntary assignment of religion in ordinary life makes a significant difference - a key difference.

It doesn't answer to reason. Conscription answers to reason.
 
iceaura said:
The mere threat of actual conscription was enough to cast doubt on W's wars - he was forced to deny the possibility in public (via minions).
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i'll chalk dispute of potential impact to a difference in individual dispositions (rose tint/blinkers/sky is fal.......)

iceaura said:
The scale difference matters, and the parallel is not significant - making the distinction one of involuntary assignment of religion in ordinary life makes a significant difference - a key difference.

It doesn't answer to reason. Conscription answers to reason.
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good enough
i concur
 
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