No need to tell me about SAM.
Nonetheless, sometimes people need to be reminded of the actual purpose of a forum...
Baron Max banned again?
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No need to tell me about SAM.
Nonetheless, sometimes people need to be reminded of the actual purpose of a forum...
Hey I voted for you to become mod
Even though you did not think a theist should mod Biology.
Hey I voted for you to become mod
Even though you did not think a theist should mod Biology.
lol
I know; I recall.
And I had no hand in your un-modding...
[which is not to say that I deny the aforementioned statement...]
SAM,
It just bugs me that I don't think you actually let yourself enjoy the site anymore.
You're so intelligent, but I think that more often than not, you're wasting that intelligence by discussing the discussions instead of actually engaging in them. You are a fierce intellect, and i would rather see that energy directed at the topic at hand, as opposed to continually moving off to chase meta-topical pseudo-legal distractions...
So would I. However, its hard to enjoy your discussions when you are stalked by cretins whose defense is that they ignore three-fourths of a statement or omit reading in favour of drama for harassing you. When 9.99999/10ths of your time is occupied in pointing out that people should make a case, read properly or simply present an argument that does not involve ignoring the English language and things called a dictionary or common sense, it becomes tedious to even bother. And yet, I try to refrain from pointing out their stupidity until it becomes intolerable.
And no, I'm not saying this in anger or frustration, but simply to illustrate how astounding it is that I am expected to make a case against/about people not making a case.
And the fact that most of my 60 million posts are actually spent in this exercise.
And no, I'm not saying this in anger or frustration, but simply to illustrate how astounding it is that I am expected to make a case against/about people not making a case.
And the fact that most of my 60 million posts are actually spent in this exercise.
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No to be too cute, but, SAM, there is the ignore function.
Yeah, its called a ban. How do I ignore that?
I have been extraordinarily patient with the harassment here for the last four years.
From day one, when the atheist hyenas descended on me I have used argumentation and reasoning against each and every personal attack I have been subjected to without resorting to the same.
And apparently, thats a mistake. What I should do is read only the first three words in any post and argue from that basis by only calling people abusive names. Because thats as far as anyones attention span can extend here.
I have been extraordinarily patient with the harassment here for the last four years.
From day one, when the atheist hyenas descended on me I have used argumentation and reasoning against each and every personal attack I have been subjected to without resorting to the same.
And apparently, thats a mistake. What I should do is read only the first three words in any post and argue from that basis by only calling people abusive names. Because thats as far as anyones attention span can extend here.
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Well, I read the desciption of what you say the 'cretins' are doing and what you do and it seems like you are describing something more general.
There is, obviously, a bias against theism here. I mean not simply that most people are not theists, but that one is given freer reign in relation to the assertions and beliefs of theists than the reverse.
This from one moderator. Since 'insult' is an interpersonal act the use of the word above is non-standard and opens the door for its real meaning. Further most people would consider being called insane an insult, but this terms seems to be an OK ad hom, as long as it is addressed to the whole category the person you are posting to belongs to.
But having said all that, I don't see this changing here and I think Glaucon's general point is a good one. More will be accomplished ignoring the pattern or occasionally pointing it out than if it is a major focus.
I usually ignore this pattern. I only make it an issue when I am "punished" for it. So all you see here are the places where I could not ignore it.
I've gone through an entire gamut of "learning experience" here
1. Request the mods that you are being harassed - mod response : get used to it - you're a theist, this is a place of science blah blah blah
2. Attack the attacker - mod response : report it instead of responding [see 1.]
3. Report the behaviour - mod response: get warned for trolling
4. Attack the mod - mod response : vague unsupported accusations
5. Ignore the mod - get stalked and warned over spurious assertions
6. Open threads asking about warnings: [get tagged as bigot [for not justifying civilian slaughter], antisemite [for pointing out human rights abuses in Palestine] and troll [for bothering to respond to unfounded allegations]] - mod response: I won't read it, what do you mean I have to read the whole sentence to get the meaning???? if you quoted it, its the same as you said it, no I won't give any examples, I won't, I won't and I'll ignore all the refutations to the ones I gave because you didn't see what I saw when I didn't actually read or comprehend any of it. waah
7. Get banned for trolling - get advice to ignore it.
I've gone through an entire gamut of "learning experience" here
1. Request the mods that you are being harassed - mod response : get used to it - you're a theist, this is a place of science blah blah blah
2. Attack the attacker - mod response : report it instead of responding [see 1.]
3. Report the behaviour - mod response: get warned for trolling
4. Attack the mod - mod response : vague unsupported accusations
5. Ignore the mod - get stalked and warned over spurious assertions
6. Open threads asking about warnings: [get tagged as bigot [for not justifying civilian slaughter], antisemite [for pointing out human rights abuses in Palestine] and troll [for bothering to respond to unfounded allegations]] - mod response: I won't read it, what do you mean I have to read the whole sentence to get the meaning???? if you quoted it, its the same as you said it, no I won't give any examples, I won't, I won't and I'll ignore all the refutations to the ones I gave because you didn't see what I saw when I didn't actually read or comprehend any of it. waah
7. Get banned for trolling - get advice to ignore it.
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Well, this is the current situation. Here we are in a thread about Baron Max. You could have just made points and left. I don't know if you got warned here or not. But if you didn't, you could have said your position on Max and the forum as it relates and then head off. From there, get really sneaky and creative. Not saying you haven't been, but take it a notch further. Think of this as more of an engineering problem than a question of justice: How can I tweak my posts so they can't ban me AND I feel good about my posts?
Yes, how can you win. You are not winning.
I can't. If I had any hopes of getting justice, Plazma put me squarely in my place in the last turnaround.
I've had 30 days to understand this. Its not a question of if, its a question of when.
The only surprise was that James could only get one yes vote in his bid to perma ban me.
Which was probably Fraggle Rocker the secularist libertarian who thinks everything is better in the sunlight. Well except for Muslims.
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That's me in the corner
All I intend to say at this time is that if nobody saw it coming, they weren't looking. Then again, neither was I, but when it's written in forty-mile high flaming letters on the side of the bloody mountain, you don't have to be looking out for it.
And he wasn't really trying that hard.
Just a little tug of the hook.
Oh, no, I said too much.
All I intend to say at this time is that if nobody saw it coming, they weren't looking. Then again, neither was I, but when it's written in forty-mile high flaming letters on the side of the bloody mountain, you don't have to be looking out for it.
And he wasn't really trying that hard.
Just a little tug of the hook.
Oh, no, I said too much.
Bells
Staff member
It's simple really. I think you are a biased hypocrite. When the same thing was said about Sam, remember your reaction?
And I know it is easy to accuse me of trolling. You do that with anyone who happens to disagree with you.
You forget Tiassa, I was privy to your words and complaints for a hell of a long time. It is the same pattern. Accuse me of trolling all you like. It will not alter my opinion of you, nor will it allow me to gain some respect for you as an individual or as a moderator on this forum.
I actually think you can win, but you have to reframe that concept. You speak about the conditions here in very final and certain terms.
Given the situation, what is the way for you to engage people here and not suffer? How can you have the most of whatever effect you want to have while not being masochistic?
I remember in about the 6th grade I accidentally - seriously I barely studied - got a very high grade in a class I was not doing well in and did not respect the teacher of. I saw in his face as he handed me the test that it bothered him I did well.
Ah, the motivation this gave me to do well again without for a moment changing my air of disrespect.
I see no direct analogy here. I do not think you should 'try to do well' whatever that would be at sciforums. Just that I assume you are creative enough to make adjustments that will bring no satisfaction to those you see as being unjust.
The discussion you are having right here pleases anyone who want to see see you treated unfairly, that I can assure you of.
SAM:
When did this thread become about you? If you want to discuss yourself, please start a different thread. You're off topic.
That depends entirely on you.
No. It was me.
When did this thread become about you? If you want to discuss yourself, please start a different thread. You're off topic.
That depends entirely on you.
No. It was me.
One difference between SAM and Baron is that SAM was - and is - being personally harassed and stalked by cretins, just as she mentions.
Baron deals his shit without provocation, straight out of the blue.
Another difference is that Baron's asshole schtick is boring, crude, and usually irrelevant to anything anywhere, not just the thread - SAM at her worst at least has an ulterior motive of some relevance on this forum, and posts information and stuff.
People defend Baron a lot, advising that the irritated look past the approach to see the underlying intelligence etc. Speaking as someone with a career of blue collar jobs and conversations, I can say that the approach will take over, and the underlying intelligence will have to be sought further and further from the actual posts, everybody's actual posts, if it isn't stepped on from time to time. Bad money drives out good.
I didn't see any troll posting from Baron, but trolling is not far from his norm and he seems to go in cycles. I did see the alleged troll posting from SAM, and I think that ban was bullshit
Baron deals his shit without provocation, straight out of the blue.
Another difference is that Baron's asshole schtick is boring, crude, and usually irrelevant to anything anywhere, not just the thread - SAM at her worst at least has an ulterior motive of some relevance on this forum, and posts information and stuff.
People defend Baron a lot, advising that the irritated look past the approach to see the underlying intelligence etc. Speaking as someone with a career of blue collar jobs and conversations, I can say that the approach will take over, and the underlying intelligence will have to be sought further and further from the actual posts, everybody's actual posts, if it isn't stepped on from time to time. Bad money drives out good.
I didn't see any troll posting from Baron, but trolling is not far from his norm and he seems to go in cycles. I did see the alleged troll posting from SAM, and I think that ban was bullshit
The thread became at least partly about SAM in the OP, page one, at the top just under the title, second paragraph. You have a problem.James said:
I love SAM and Baron. They are 2 of the few I read regularly. I get banned/warned/ threatened more than the 2 of them combined and don't care. I get banned for having a direct opposite view/belief system (they call it "trolling") than the mods and owner. I get banned for expressing my true feelings/opinions ("trolling") about a topic. No one can believe I really am real/like this. I am.
Baron is a valued member of this forum. When he is gone I miss him.
Baron is a valued member of this forum. When he is gone I miss him.