Oh. Ok then. Well... ummm... You're welcome?Thats not an ad hom- I am a silly doofus with a funny looking cat; you should take lessons from (Q).
Atheism is a belief.
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That is the first time I heard that, and good; I'm glad someone is using a dictionary.
However, that's just one (albeit, a good one). I have looked in several and only seen the "no god belief" thing.
Does anyone out there have an OED? I'd really appreciate knowing what they say about this.
But that's not the point! The point is what atheists say about it. And it's what we've been saying forever on this board. After all, we're the atheists. Why do you keep trying to tell us what we "believe"? We don't tell theists what to believe. We know what they believe. They tell us, we accept it. So what's the problem?
None of us argue that theists are people of faith. We totally get it. We think faith is willful stupidity, but we accept that you like that.
YOUR girlfriend's cat is God? Damn, I've heard about the "Cat that is God", I'm behind in my tithes too. What's that PO box #?
But it is the point. As a person of reason you expect me to use facts, research and scholastic methods to support my positions. Well, fair enough. If it is my intent to change your mind, that is. (Which, BTW, in regards to pantheism, I'm not trying to do. I have no attachment as to what you want to hold true)
But for some reason on this point (and this point only) do atheists deviate from this standard.
Your comment of 'liking willful stupidity' is the "middle" of my point. Your arrogance and unveiled contempt is as offensive and sophomoric as Christian arrogance on salvation and their book is the "right" one and everyone else will burn.
Etymologically, atheism is derived from atheos and means "godless". However, atheists, in order to support their beliefs have adopted the disbelief option, which gives them the "rational" leeway.
However, after you speak to the atheists here for some time, you'll realise that most of them don't think through their beliefs very much and tend to get tripped up in their fierce denial of Gods, rather than the lack of evidence.
Is it? Fair enough. I hold the general attitude that faith (what's your definition of it?) is the height of intellectual bankruptcy. Arrogant? Maybe. Contemptuous? Definitely.
I happen to think there is an actual right and wrong here. Clearly defined. And faith is at the top of my list of "wrong things". In fact, it's deplorable. Expect me to 'believe' or follow someone based on hearsay? Ha.
Really? Examples?... most of them don't think through their beliefs very much and tend to get tripped up in their fierce denial of Gods, rather than the lack of evidence.
Read any of the posts where I ask for peer reviewed evidence to support atheistic claims and get reams of posts on my theism instead
Huh? What atheistic claims? Do we have claims?Read any of the posts where I ask for peer reviewed evidence to support atheistic claims and get reams of posts on my theism instead
Of course atheism is a belief, however, it is NOT a religion!
It is.Umm yeah you thing the universe is based on dumb luck.
Now you're going to ask for supporting documents.
I refer you to every quantum mechanics paper.
Every treatise on brownian motion.
Every lottery winner.
Every person who prayed and got a result no better than chance.
Everyone killed by a wind-tossed tree limb.
The dinosaurs.
All of the planets that aren't habitable.
The owner of a casino.
Ok?
Now, tell me how there's directing god behind all of that. Wait. I know the answer already. "He's" there, but his ways are unfathomable to us and it just appears as though it's all "dumb" luck.
Right. Got it.
for a start, the universe is not ultimately managed by a consciousness greater than ourselves
probably also something approaching ontological naturalism (reality is causally closed within space and time)
otherwise something approaching representational naturalism (due to human knowledge and intentionality, reality can be explained completely in terms of scientifically expressible causal connections between states of being and the physical world).
do you mind if I just call you an atheist with a belief for the sake of brevity?
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Really? Is that what I believe? Thanks LG. You've clarified my life for me.
well I am yet to hear you state anything (outside of jest) that falls outside of the definitions offered
(BTW I re-edited the post)
After all this time and all this arguing, you really don't know where I stand on this?
*SL takes on form of his avatar*
Actually we're just specks on a sphere in the middle of nowhere for no reason, but we feel compelled to spend all our time thinking of things to do because we're all gonna die but right now we're alive so why not?
If I said I love you, it's only because I am weeping with joy at your awakening to reality. Kind of like having a new born baby. You are now one of us. Welcome our new sister in cosmic despair.Actually we're just specks on a sphere in the middle of nowhere for no reason, but we feel compelled to spend all our time thinking of things to do because we're all gonna die but right now we're alive so why not?