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Atheism and blind faith
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The similarity stems from anthropomorphism. We imagine something like outselves, but more grand. By the way, I noticed your use of "him", the masculine, when referring to a higher power. Not all cultures share this myth, and the consequences to the culture are tremendous. We tend to deify all sorts of things, places, animals, people, objects. The nature of their involvement with people is also different. The evolved role of some of these myths are to maintain social order, so they include warnings about taboo behavior. I think the differences among the world's religions, particularly if you include ancient ones, aren't minor.
No it does not. YOU VitalOne are an Atheist. It required ZERO, ZILCH NO effort on your part to be an Atheist. Yet, you are one all the same.
There are millions of Gods both worshipped now and long forgotten for which you VitalOne lack a theistic beleif in.
Michael
But that is not necessarily evidence of design. We are here because to conditions are right but that does not automatically mean that someone had to have made the conditions right. There could potentially be many universes with slightly different values and no one there. It could be like saying that design must have been involved because a fish was born in water and not on land.
No we were discussing evidence. That is a possibility, not evidence. That is like me saying - do you accept the possibility that there are invisible fairies above your head as evidence for the existence for the god Pan?.
It certainly might if it were true. Of course if it were true that those fairies were there then Pan might be real.
You mean prove the existence of god.
It is not up to the atheists to specify the evidence but I will play along this time. God could appear at the UN, he could part one of the bigger oceans, if someone could produce some of the miracles described in the Bible that would certainly be worth investigating. He could cause amputee’s limbs to grow back. The rapture. Perhaps he could actually stop punishing starving children who have done nothing wrong! If this god exists as described in your religious texts then he is capable on many supernatural feats that simply do not happen.
Yes proving a negative. Please look this fallacy up before replying again.
So by your definition you, and everyone else, have billions and billions of beliefs in the non existence of everything that could possibly exist (including the supernatural) but doesn’t have evidence to support it. You don’t just have one faith VitalOne you have billions and billions. This is only limited by imagination. That is absurd.
It is amazing how desperately you try to distort logic in an attempt to equate atheism with your beliefs. Even if your poorly constructed arguments hadn't already been dismantled by many members of this forum (they have) and you managed to demonstrate that atheism was a faith then what would be achieved? What if atheism was a faith? Do you think that would somehow validate your blind faith? You already have thousands of faiths that oppose yours, why would it matter if you had one more?
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Exploradora
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Nice.
Thats what I thought you'd say...there's no convincing an atheist...
But you are saying there's many universes...so you are siding with the many-worlds interpretation? If MWI is true...then it means that the many-minds interpretation may also be true...and if that is true it means that consciousness exists independently of the mind and that there is no death...
What is wrong with you atheists? This is a typical discussion with an atheist, if you give them any theories supporting or anything they compare it to fairies (or Saturn turning into a banana) or something else in order to ridicule the idea.shaman_ said:
Why don't you all compare the superstring theory or the many-worlds interpretation (which you seem to support) to fairies? I know why, it doesn't contradict your atheistic faith....your pure blind atheistic faith
As for the possibility of invisible fairies above my head...which theory in science supports this? If there are no theories in science supporting this then it's incomparable and the comparison is only made to ridicule the idea...
Why do you compare these theories to fairies? I know why, it helps preserve your atheistic faith...shaman_ said:
Your logic is something like this "if I believe something doesn't exist, then something else with supporting theories thats completely different, with innumerably different properties, characteristics, and attributes must also not exist"
ahahahaha man I just can't stop laughing at how far atheists will go in order to preserve their atheistic faith-based belief system...
You'll believe anything besides there being a God right?
The burden of proof thing atheists commonly use doesn't apply. It only applies to criminal court cases so that innocent victims aren't prosecuted...in other cases like civil court cases you don't need to convince anyone beyond a reasonable doubt of anything.....shaman_ said:
If atheism were really falsifiable you would be able to give examples of what would falsify, but you can't. Instead you give me examples of miracles and things you think would never happen (it would be like me saying "well when pigs fly I'll believe you"). This measure is used just to preserve your atheistic faith-based belief system...
Since atheism is not falsifiable then it is just like any other faith-based belief system...
Hahaha...another great laugh...shaman_ said:
There's a great difference between proving a negative and giving evidence of absence....maybe you should go look it up. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Hahaha...me distort logic? As opposed to you taking theories and saying its like fairies just to ridicule an idea? Ahahahahahahashaman_ said:
What's amazing is how atheists will believe anything that does not lead to there being a God or intelligent cause.....thats what you call a faith-based belief system.....
Effort has absolutely nothing to do with faith....using your great atheistic faith you must have falsely come to this conclusion...
As for forgotten Gods...I am agnostic to those because I make no claims of the existence or non-existence of them....using your great atheistic faith you must have some how confused atheism with agnosticism...
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EmptyForceOfChi,
Sometimes it seems that the type of athiest which gets "touchy", actually speak of God in a derogatory tone, saying things like "God is a evil murderer".
Does this type of behaviour come under the banner of "atheism"?
You, and people like you, are therefore SEMI-IR-RATIONAL, period.
So I cannot be arsed to talk to such a retard. Go away.
Just kidding.
peace
Jan.
Sometimes it seems that the type of athiest which gets "touchy", actually speak of God in a derogatory tone, saying things like "God is a evil murderer".
Does this type of behaviour come under the banner of "atheism"?
You, and people like you, are therefore SEMI-IR-RATIONAL, period.
So I cannot be arsed to talk to such a retard. Go away.
Just kidding.
peace
Jan.
No I did not say there were many worlds. I said that there could be. I was pointing out that the just because the universe "suits" us that does not prove that someone had to have created it. Re-read it if you did not understand my point.
We use analogies to help clarify a situation. It becomes a waste of time when the person you are speaking to cannot understand the analogy.
I don't necessarily support superstring theory or the many worlds interpretation. What is their relevance in this discussion?
What scientific theory supports the existence of god/gods? Here is a hint, don't say intelligent design.
The point is that there is as much evidence for fairies as there is for the mind existing outside of the brain. Try very hard to understand this.
The use of this analogy is something that most school children would understand. I can only assume that you refuse to comprehend things that might damage your faith.
What supporting theories?
I will believe anything? How did you come to this conclusion?
What utter nonsense. If I claim that purple elephants exist it is up to me to prove this claim. It is not up to you to be in every part of the earth at the same time to prove me wrong. I do realise that I just used an analogy and you wont understand it.
Stop asking people to prove negatives.
You asked for things that might prove gods existence, I answered and you wont accept them as possible evidence!! Don't you think your god could perform these miracles? I even mentioned things that he has supposedly done before!
Don't ever accuse atheists of not accepting evidence for god again. If you do then you are dishonest.
All you need to do is prove gods existence. Do you think that is impossible? You seem to.
You realise that you are laughing at your own position now? That is your logic I was following.
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See elephant analogy and have someone explain it to you.
You write these posts giving the appearance of genuine discussion but you don't even read the other person's post properly. Perhaps you do have a comprehension problem and I am being unfair...
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Excellent point, kind sir. Thy apprenticeship with the Gofather has served you well.
Keep up the good work.
For all but one belief we are both the same, you and I, we are agnostic atheists. While we acknowledge it is logically impossible to prove a negative (agnostic) we do lack a theistic believe (atheistic).
You see VitalOne, YOU are an Agnostic Atheist for the many millions of presently worshipped and long forgotten Gods. And it took no effort at all.
Let us share a moment as agnostic atheist brothers *smiles for a moment*
Michael