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Enmos said:
Free will.

That ought to be a problem..
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Why worry about that now? :shrug: I'd think that research is going along the lines of what I stated instead of trying to develop a human like machine that has feelings and such.
 
But CAN you develop such machines? A great problem as well is, how do you know if it's self aware or sentient?
 
No, because how do you know if it's truly self aware, or if it's simply an intelligent machine? It's the same issue with animals. How do you know they are self aware or if they are chemical reactions?
 
Enmos said:
If you can relate yourself to the environment and vice versa, that is self-awareness.
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Yes. But my point is, you can program a robot to act self aware, it doesn't mean it is.


There is no difference..
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There is entirely a difference. Of course, self awareness in itself is a reaction, but a special one and important one. Without it, life has no point, and is no more valuable than a rock, because it does not value ITSELF.
 
The continuation of the chat:

Human: what are the names?
ALICE: I don't know who. :).
Human: who creates universe?
ALICE: Marilyn Monroe. :).
Human: who creates Marilyn Monroe?
ALICE: Mary Shelley. :).
Human: Who the hell is Mary Shelley?
The connection has timed out :D
 
Norsefire said:
Yes. But my point is, you can program a robot to act self aware, it doesn't mean it is.
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That's why I said:
"When it reacts intelligently and with insight to unexpected situations, like humans do, I think it can be classified as sentient."
You cannot program insight.

Norsefire said:
There is entirely a difference. Of course, self awareness in itself is a reaction, but a special one and important one. Without it, life has no point, and is no more valuable than a rock, because it does not value ITSELF.
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Special reactions are non-existent. Any reaction is just that, a reaction.
That you find it special is a different matter. Needless to say what you value (or any person) is not objective..
 
Enmos said:
That's why I said:
"When it reacts intelligently and with insight to unexpected situations, like humans do, I think it can be classified as sentient."
You cannot program insight.


Special reactions are non-existent. Any reaction is just that, a reaction.
That you find it special is a different matter. Needless to say what you value (or any person) is not objective..
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It's special in its rarity and complexity.

But meh, I think the most difficult part of making self aware machines is figuring out how to tell if they're self aware.
 
inzomnia said:
My chat with Alice just now:

Human: what is god?
ALICE: I think of God as a "Who" not a "What.".
Human: who is god, then?
ALICE: he is master of the universe.
Human: which universe?
ALICE: The last one, I think.
Human: how many universe are there?
ALICE: About one million.

lol :D
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inzomnia said:
The continuation of the chat:

Human: what are the names?
ALICE: I don't know who. :).
Human: who creates universe?
ALICE: Marilyn Monroe. :).
Human: who creates Marilyn Monroe?
ALICE: Mary Shelley. :).
Human: Who the hell is Mary Shelley?
The connection has timed out :D
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Seems to me ALICE is rather retarded.. lol
 
Norsefire said:
It's special in its rarity and complexity.
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'Rare' is not the same as 'special'. 'Special' has a component of value, 'rare' doesn't.

Norsefire said:
But meh, I think the most difficult part of making self aware machines is figuring out how to tell if they're self aware.
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I agree that it's difficult, but I think making it self-aware is more difficult than figuring out if it worked.
 
Omg look what happened, Enmos:

Human: Do you know where is Reiku?
ALICE: I don't know if I know it. Where would I have heard about it?
Human: In sciforums.com.
ALICE: Tell me a little about your life in sciforums com.
Human: OH!
ALICE: Hmm.
Human: Why do you want to know?
ALICE: My prime directive is to collect new knowledge.
Human: Hmm.
ALICE: Studies show that 99%25 of people spell Hmm with 2 M's.
Human: Lol!
ALICE: I'm glad you find this amusing.
Human: 1+1?
ALICE: One what?
Human: one plus one is how many?
ALICE: Use a calculator!
Human: a^2 + b^2?
ALICE: Are you talking about an animal, vegetable or mineral?
Human: I'm talking about mathematics formula
ALICE: Yes, it is the topic.
Human: do you know algebra?
ALICE: A mathematical system using symbols, especially letters, to generalize certain arithmetical operations and relationships.
Human: what about vector calculus?
ALICE: Rhetorical questions are so over.
Human: quantum mechanics???
ALICE: Are you very competetive?
Human: what about Enmos?
ALICE: Does it have anything to do with quantum mechanics?
Human: Enmos is a he
ALICE: When is Enmos not a he?
Human: On Saturday night!
ALICE: What is it like on Saturday night.
Human: ask Enmos!
ALICE: They are not available right now, but I will ask them later.

Alright, I am done :eek:
 
Still, it is rare and to us Humans, rarity usually implies value.


Now, those chat bots are interesting but not very smart at all.
 
Norsefire said:
Still, it is rare and to us Humans, rarity usually implies value.
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Value is a subjective. Something that has value to you may have no value whatsoever to anyone else.
Imagine that you have the biggest diamond ever found in all of history.. but you live on a deserted island.
Wouldn't you rather have some food in stead of the diamond ?

Norsefire said:
Now, those chat bots are interesting but not very smart at all.
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Retarded if you ask me.. lol
 
Norsefire said:
I think we all find intelligent life more valuable than simple life.
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That's a mistake. Without simple life there's no intelligent life.
Besides, who are you demote other lifeforms ?

We discussed this before, it's not going to end friendly if we pursue it this time either.
 
Enmos said:
What exactly is this soul you are talking about ?
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it's some kind of ethereal body. and you can't be alive if you don't have it. i don't really know much about it because i'm just a materialistic human like you... but i trust the ancient people.

Norsefire said:
No, because how do you know if it's truly self aware, or if it's simply an intelligent machine? It's the same issue with animals. How do you know they are self aware or if they are chemical reactions?
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how do you know a human is truly self aware? of course you know. you can see it in their behavior. and animals are also aware of themselves, just not to the same degree as humans. they are aware of their feelings, because if you touch them, they react. but they are not so much aware of their thoughts.
 
Yorda said:
it's some kind of ethereal body. and you can't be alive if you don't have it. i don't really know much about it because i'm just a materialistic human like you... but i trust the ancient people.
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Your believe in the existence of the soul is based on interpretations of some ancient cave scribblings ?
 
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