Are theists afraid of atheists?

[Carico]

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M*W: If theists believe that atheism is not a legitimate belief, why do they seem so afraid of it?

You misunderstand the difference between censorship and asking for supporting evidence.

Untrue. We have witnesses to Christ's life and words and His words in print today. But what historical supporting evidence to evolutionists have? Zero. No witnesses, and no ancient cultures passing along accounts of their ape ancestors. So by your definition of evidence, we don't need witnesses or historical verification. We can simply say that Jesus is Lord because we say so and it can be considered a fact.

No, we don't allow preaching simply because it is merely that: preaching a point of view with no evidentiary support - i.e. opinion rather than fact.

Again, since youhave to make up your own history to deny our claims about Jesus, it's you who lives in a fantasy world, not us. So if you believe our words are lies, then why censor them? Why call them preaching? :bugeye: Do you think beings that you claim are imaginary can hurt you? Apparently so. So why don't you call the words of atheists preaching?

Because atheists try to provide factual supprt and Christians don't?

So what factual support do you have that Jesus is not Lord? Anything? Oh, I forgot, atheists don't need factual evidence to support their beliefs. They can just make up imaginary creatures whom no one in history can identify.

So your whole post is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Oli]

Untrue. We have witnesses to Christ's life and words and His words in print today.

Oops, lie.
You have no "witnesses". You have one source of "written testimony", with no other supporting documentation, that was written some 20-30 years after the supposed events.
There is some dispute as to whether Jesus actually existed.

But what historical supporting evidence to evolutionists have? Zero. No witnesses, and no ancient cultures passing along accounts of their ape ancestors.

Um, actually the witness ands supporting evidence is the entire record of paleontology, biology etc...

So by your definition of evidence, we don't need witnesses or historical verification. We can simply say that Jesus is Lord because we say so and it can be considered a fact.

Unfortunately that's exactly what you do: claim it's a fact and consider it such - without evidence.

Do you think beings that you claim are imaginary can hurt you?

Nope, but the folowers of this imaginary being are more than capable of hurting us - physically, culturally and intellectually.

So what factual support do you have that Jesus is not Lord? Anything?

The same factual evidence that Pinnochio, Aslan and Harry Potter aren't the lord, or even (if he did exist) Julius Caesar, Hannibal or Adolf Hitler.

 

[Carico]

Oops, lie.
You have no "witnesses". You have one source of "written testimony", with no other supporting documentation, that was written some 20-30 years after the supposed events.
There is some dispute as to whether Jesus actually existed.

Wrong again. We actually have 4 different gospel writers. we also have different authors for most of the books in the bible. So you need to do your research so you'll be speaking from knowledge rather than ignorance.

Um, actually the witness ands supporting evidence is the entire record of paleontology, biology etc...

Sorry but looking at a rock or bones and imagining what they are isn't called fact but fantasy. So you are wrong again.

Unfortunately that's exactly what you do: claim it's a fact and consider it such - without evidence.

So let me get this straight: Anything that can be documented in history is not called evidence and anything that cannot be documented in history is called evidence. Is that correct? :bugeye: If so, then neither logic nor good contact with reality seem to be your strong points.

Nope, but the followers of this imaginary being are more than capable of hurting us - physically, culturally and intellectually.

So you ARE afraid of Christians, proving my post true. So what part of our beliefs can hurt you physically or emotionally? Loving you enough to care where you spend eternity, or turning the other cheek? Or how about a god you think is imaginary? if those beliefs scare you, then you're not just afraid, you're TERRIFIED of beings you claim are imaginary.

 

[StrangerInAStrangeLand]

Once again, whether evolution is wrong has nothing to do with whether there are gods.
He didn't say there weren't more than 1 writer. Has nothing to do with the point. Which you didn't understand & don't want to understand.
If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't believe such nonsense.
You obviously know nothing of love.
You're the 1 blathering from ignorance.
We want to know. You want to feel you know. You can't handle not knowing so you pretend you do.

 

[OilIsMastery]

It's obvious atheists are afraid of theists which is why we see and witness the extremely bad and poor behavior that we do, namely censorship, thought segregation, locking of discussion and debate, and thought policing.

Theists have nothing to fear from atheists because the truth always wins.

People like Richard Dawkins are so arrogant that they actually believe the vast majority of the world suffers from mental illness because they disagree with them. No wonder atheists cannot coexist peacefully with their neighbors.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

We're not afraid of atheists in the least which is why we don't try to censor them as they do with us. Many atheists forums don't allow preaching because they're afraid of the truth. But we know that they can't hurt us because they don't have the truth. So we don't need to censor them even though they're proud of swearing and hating God. After all, there's a reason that the words of atheists aren't considered to be preaching and the words of Christians are. That shows that even atheists know they're not telling the truth.

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M*W: Carico, let's get this straight, shall we? Atheists DO NOT SWEAR AT NOR HATE GOD. If I heard an atheist swear at or hate god, I would call him a liar, because he's not an atheist. Atheists don't believe in deities, so there's no point in swearing at a god nor hating said god. A god is for believers only. Atheists believe in no gods. It's that simple.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Untrue. We have witnesses to Christ's life and words and His words in print today.

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M*W: I was hoping not to have to address your fallacious beliefs, because I know it falls on deaf and dumb ears.

There is no proof that a man named Jesus existed, besides his name was supposed to be Emanuel who didn't exist either. Also, there were no witnesses at the alleged time of his existence. The gospels and Epistles were written much later after Jesus no longer existed (if he did, in fact, exist at all). The first book of the gospels, Mark, was written at about 70 AD. The remaining gospels were written by 125 AD. The Epistles were written before 68 AD when Paul (if he existed) died. They were written before the gospels. The Epistles and Gospels were a coordinated effort and probably a Roman forgery.

I've always thought it peculiar that the Epistles and Gospels were written AFTER the fall of Jerusalem, not before or during Jesus's lifetime (if he had one).

My personal belief is that the NT had ghost writers in Rome, and the life of Jesus compares quite nicely with the life of Julius Caesar. (Atwill; Carotta). Flavius Josephus was a great Jewish historian of the day. He wrote A History of the Jews and the Antiquities, and some of his own work may have been forged to include a person named Jesus.

But what historical supporting evidence to evolutionists have? Zero. No witnesses, and no ancient cultures passing along accounts of their ape ancestors. So by your definition of evidence, we don't need witnesses or historical verification. We can simply say that Jesus is Lord because we say so and it can be considered a fact.

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M*W: Evolution has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. You're making claims that Jesus existed, and I'm making claims he did not. In fact, you have nothing tangible to prove Jesus existed except your bible. That's circular logic. It just doesn't add up.

Again, since you have to make up your own history to deny our claims about Jesus, it's you who lives in a fantasy world, not us. So if you believe our words are lies, then why censor them? Why call them preaching? :bugeye: Do you think beings that you claim are imaginary can hurt you? Apparently so. So why don't you call the words of atheists preaching?

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M*W: We don't need to make up any kind of history. History stands on it's own. There is nothing to preach about. It's all in your mind. That's what you've been brainwashed to believe. I used to believe that crap, too, when I was a christian.

So what factual support do you have that Jesus is not Lord? Anything? Oh, I forgot, atheists don't need factual evidence to support their beliefs. They can just make up imaginary creatures whom no one in history can identify.

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M*W: Well, Jesus is imaginary, so he is neither lord, nor master, nor god. He's a fictional character and that's it.

So your whole post is the pot calling the kettle black.

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M*W: No, I wouldn't say this is a case of pot:kettle, but it is a case of truth:lies. You're confused to which is the truth and what are the lies. I'm glad you have come to sciforums. Maybe you will learn the truth like I did.

 

[Orleander]

...Theists have nothing to fear from atheists because the truth always wins....

well, I'm confused. I thought that was EXACTLY the reason why a theist would be afraid of an atheist.

 

[Enmos]

well, I'm confused. I thought that was EXACTLY the reason why a theist would be afraid of an atheist.

Hehe

 

[Enmos]

It's obvious theists are afraid of atheists which is why we see and witness the extremely bad and poor behavior that we do, namely censorship, thought segregation, locking of discussion and debate, and thought policing.

Atheists have nothing to fear from theists because the truth always wins.

Some theists are so arrogant that they actually believe the vast majority of the world suffers from mental illness because they disagree with them. No wonder theists cannot coexist peacefully with their neighbors.

I changed some things so it is closer to the truth. I hope you don't mind

 

[OilIsMastery]

I changed some things so it is closer to the truth. I hope you don't mind

How clever...

 

[Enmos]

How clever...

It's not clever at all.. a five year old can see it's more accurate this way

 

[Carico]

M*W: Well, Jesus is imaginary, so he is neither lord, nor master, nor god. He's a fictional character and that's it.

That's like saying that King Kong once ruled the world and that's true. Sorry, blanket statements without supporting evidence aren't facts, just statements.
So do your research on Jerusalem during the time of Christ so you can tell the world what really happened then. Then you'd be dealing with facts, not fantasy. But since you've already admitted that it's atheists who are afraid of Christians, then there really is no more point in seeing you guys continue to contradict yourselves.

 

[greenberg]

We're not afraid of atheists in the least which is why we don't try to censor them as they do with us.

I was banned from a Christian forum because I asked "Why did God create ugly people?" and insisted to get an answer.

Many atheists forums don't allow preaching because they're afraid of the truth.

Oh? You can read people's minds, you know what their intentions are?
Did you ever ask any atheist, or anyone for that matter, why they don't like preaching?

 

[Enmos]

I was banned from a Christian forum because I asked "Why did God create ugly people?" and insisted to get an answer.

He didn't.. it was the devil (obviously)

 

[Medicine*Woman]

That's like saying that King Kong once ruled the world and that's true. Sorry, blanket statements without supporting evidence aren't facts, just statements.
So do your research on Jerusalem during the time of Christ so you can tell the world what really happened then. Then you'd be dealing with facts, not fantasy. But since you've already admitted that it's atheists who are afraid of Christians, then there really is no more point in seeing you guys continue to contradict yourselves.

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M*W: I never said atheists are afraid of christians. We pity them! I'm afraid you are the most ignorant person who has ever come to sciforums.

I have done a lot of research on Jerusalem at the alleged time of christ, and it just doesn't add up. There is no evidence that any such person existed. However, there is an abundance of information that Jesus was a metaphor for the sun, ergo, the early sun worshippers.

There are several other members of sciforums who have also done their homework. Something with which you are not familiar. You have this preconceived idea in your head that you are right and everybody else is wrong, but you are the laughing stock of christianity. Keep it up, though, we all need a good laugh now and then. You're pathetic.

 

[Mr. Hamtastic]

MW-To coin a wise phrase I heard recently.... Pot, meet Kettle. At least I embrace my laughingstock status. Your religious theories remind me of a certain theory about Earth and such... http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/ You'll find there those who wholeheartedly support your theories, as well as your frequent antagonism towards theists.

IOW-It's okay to slap him around, but when the slapping starts, all hell breaks loose, so be careful!

 

[Simon Anders]

I am afraid of some theists and some atheists, though less of the latter. There are less of them, so statistics and all.

I don't know how to categorize Buddhists. This does not scare me. But some Buddhists do.

I have never met a Mormon who scared me. But I think this has been luck. I think some Mormons would scare me, but I can't be sure, given my limited interest in pursuing empirical studies.

I have also, on occasion, been afraid of members of both sexes. Sometimes even at once.

 

[OilIsMastery]

I am afraid of some theists and some atheists, though less of the latter. There are less of them, so statistics and all.

I don't know how to categorize Buddhists. This does not scare me. But some Buddhists do.

I have never met a Mormon who scared me. But I think this has been luck. I think some Mormons would scare me, but I can't be sure, given my limited interest in pursuing empirical studies.

I have also, on occasion, been afraid of members of both sexes. Sometimes even at once.

Quality...

 

[swarm]

Yes, she did say "I believe that no gods exist. I would consider that it is a belief, but certainly not a religion" and I thought it worth mentioning that a lack of belief in gods doesn't imply one needs to believe no gods exist because I feel making the matter a point of belief is unsound. Belief is irrelevant.

Simon Anders
If like Phlogistan, an atheist here, you believe atheism is merely a lack of belief in God, then you also disagree with her self-labeling.

Personally I feel atheism is just more special pleading on the part of theists to make it seem like their imaginary god is more important then the tooth fairy. Its not and doesn't require one to adopt a special designation in order to be laughing at it.

While I feel she is taking atheism beyond the point where it is effortlessly defensible without adding anything of importance to the stance, her self labeling as an atheist is entirely reasonable.