Are scientists always trustworthy? Should we believe everything they say?

river-wind said:
Maybe you are. But the scientific method was developed for the purposes of showing the how's and whys of the world in ways that everyone can see and verify. If special training is required to see your evidence; if the scientific method is not being followed in your research, then this topic doesn't belong in the science forums.

Why? Because it does not fit your methods? I grew up when science was about wonder and imagination, not about corporations and money. Science was Star Trek. To boldly go where no man has gone before.

I guess that means you are not a man huh? You only want to go where it is safe and warrm. If you have to learn new things, you don't want any part of it.

river-wind said:
It may be that your idea has great merit,

No "may" about it. Someone should be paying me a consulting salary and royalties on my discovery while they suck my brain dry of all the details.

river-wind said:
and should be considered. But unless you structure your arguement in the terms of science, then you should not expect those dealing in science to listen.

I didn't know that. Really. As I said above, I thought scientists were open minded and curious. I didn't realize they were power hungry and status conscious. Unwilling to accept anything that changes the status quo.

I only just found that out here. Now I have to figure out what to do about it. Ditch these "intelligent" people afraid to leave their box, or go talk to regular people willing to listen and learn, but with no ability to change the world on a large scale same as me.

The only reason I give a damn about scientists is because of the power structure humans have built. The news and the governments will not listen unless you have status. If you are a scientist, you paid the 4 years of your life and the 20,000 government few to be allowed to make money in the country of your choice. Since you obeyed them and paid the tariff, they agree to listen to you.

If I can get one scientist to listen to me, then all the power guys without a brain in their head will listen. Not because they understand the scientist any better than they understand me, but because someone they recognize as part of the power structure is telling them the stuff.

river-wind said:
How about we move to the theology or pseudoscience sections of the site, to discuss the idea in a more casual environment?

Cris the mod in religion will begin to cry like a baby if the thread goes over there. The entire discussion was originally there. He moved it because he crys easily and I upset him.

Don't think I miss your "cleverness" here. Kinda boring actually. It only means something if you are right. I am right. You can say any put down you want to me. I know for a fact that you do not have a clue about what I know. You can get god himself to tell me I am wrong.

I, Happeh, am 100% correct about what I say. You can beat your head against me all day long, trying to kill my spirit as seems to be the sport here, or you can save your energy, acknowledge defeat and learn from me.

river-wind said:
don't forget that what you have posted is even now available to read. I'll been reading your threads since day one; I just didn't post until I felt that I understood where you were trying to go with your idea.

When you have some understanding and you have a pertinent or meaningful question, look me up.
 
Happeh said:
I grew up when science was about wonder and imagination, not about corporations and money.
i was 17 when they landed on the moon happeh
how old were you? you weren't even around
why do you play like you are some old wise person?
you are a liar, a fraud and a deceiver
since you won't tell river wind how old you are i will, he's about 29 (thanks huwy)
 
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If I can get one scientist to listen to me, then all the power guys without a brain in their head will listen. Not because they understand the scientist any better than they understand me, but because someone they recognize as part of the power structure is telling them the stuff.
If you’re intelligent you can get an education. Then you could call your self a scientist. You could listen to your self all the time, and bath in the knowledge that the "power guys" will also listen..

Please such dribble only exemplifies your ignorance...
 
i can't frikken beleive this but check this out

happeh said quote
"Some government agency has put me on a government blocklist.

What that means is that I am prevented from visiting various websites here and there around the globe. Depends on who uses the blocklists."

can you beleive this crap?
practicaly every forum he has been on banned his butt.
this is probably how he covers his butt
he gets banned and he says he was put on a government blocklist

the above quote from happeh came from cartoons-bad for you health? page 16
in the world events forum

i got the quote in a reply of mine in case he deletes the post
 
Perhaps arguing with Happeh is dangerous.
I, Happeh, am 100% correct about what I say. You can beat your head against me all day long, trying to kill my spirit as seems to be the sport here, or you can save your energy, acknowledge defeat and learn from me.
Some people with delusions of grandeur turn homicidal when frustrated. If he gives up on convincing anybody, what next?
 
Arguing with Happeh is pointless because Happeh does not argue unless he is on the winning side. If I argue, it is because I know I am right. You cannot stop someone who is right.

Go try to tell a math teacher that 2 + 2 = 3. That math teacher will argue with you for months. No matter how many names you call him or how big a mob you get to attack him. A fact is a fact no matter how many babies cry, no matter how many tards gibber, and no matter how many "intelligent scientists" behave like schoolkids at the playground picking on the odd person out.
 
Happeh said:
Arguing with Happeh is pointless because Happeh does not argue unless he is on the winning side. If I argue, it is because I know I am right. You cannot stop someone who is right.

Go try to tell a math teacher that 2 + 2 = 3. That math teacher will argue with you for months. No matter how many names you call him or how big a mob you get to attack him. A fact is a fact no matter how many babies cry, no matter how many tards gibber, and no matter how many "intelligent scientists" behave like schoolkids at the playground picking on the odd person out.
well happeh where is the beef?
you said you have been at this for what, 5 or 10 years?
and during that entire time you have not found one scrap of verifiable evidence?
you yourself stated that you can't convince a board of scientists because you don't have evidence
no evidence no case

what about our poll? what about the links we gave that refute what yoyu say?

the only thing you can come up with is an article about viagra and a israeli conspiracy
 
happeh said:
If I can get one scientist to listen to me, then all the power guys without a brain in their head will listen.
If it is your desire to have a scientist listen to you, then you must "speak to your audience" - put your knowledge into terms that they can understand. If you expect your audience to do all the work, then you will find yourself getting nowhere fast.

happeh said:
I guess that means you are not a man huh? You only want to go where it is safe and warrm. If you have to learn new things, you don't want any part of it.
I am sorry that you feel a need to insult me.

happeh said:
You cannot stop someone who [TRUELY BELIEVES THAT THEY ARE] right.
T,FTFY. and I agree. Faith in one's own beliefs is a very powerful thing.
 
river-wind said:
I am sorry that you feel a need to insult me.

Depends on if you take it as an insult. The quote says

"To boldy go where no man has gone before".

You refuse to go where you have not been before. That would mean you are not a man according to the quote.

If you are ashamed that as a curious scientist you are afraid or unwilling to go where you have never been before, that is your ego problem, not me insulting you.
 
river-wind said:
T,FTFY. and I agree. Faith in one's own beliefs is a very powerful thing.

Now I am going to insult you. This is what makes psycho##### so despicable. They take good and try to make it dirty.

Your comment is an attempted jab to imply my theory is nothing but belief. Oh. You are so clever.

In reality, Faith in one's own beliefs is a good thing. For anybody anywhere in the world. Any worker, any school kid, any parent, anyone at all. Faith that they are doing good at what they do is an integral part of a healthy life of the human animal.

But you guys. That is how you poison people. You take a normal act necessary to the health of the human animal and you poison it to try to make the person shun the act. If you are successful and drive the person away, they become sick because they no longer perform the act or have the belief that is necessary for them to remain healthy.

If you can successfully convince some poor trusting fool that Faith is the refuge of losers and people who do not know anything, then that poor trusting fool will never have faith in himself. Faith is only for losers and people who do not know anything.

Deceit is bad for you. In the end you will pay. I know you guys chose the path you do because the power is easily available and instantly rewarding. I think you will regret it in the end

When you are sitting in your rocker when you are 60, you will remember all the bad things you have done. That is all there is to do when you are in the rocking chair. Think. And you may not know this but time dilates when you get old. In one hour in your rocker, you can relive an entire year of inflicting hurt and pain on others.

Why would you chose that kind of old age? I will never figure you guys out.
 
Happeh said:
Now I am going to insult you. This is what makes psycho##### so despicable. They take good and try to make it dirty.

Your comment is an attempted jab to imply my theory is nothing but belief. Oh. You are so clever.
this is what everybody likes about you happeh
you are nice talking until they say something against you or "your" theory
then you turn into mr. ass wipe

you did the same thing to everyone happeh
 
Happeh said:
You take a normal act necessary to the health of the human animal and you poison it to try to make the person shun the act.
isn't this exactly what you are doing to masturbation and sex ?
 
Happeh said:
But you guys. That is how you poison people. You take a normal act necessary to the health of the human animal and you poison it to try to make the person shun the act.
Mirrored, ...

If you can successfully convince some poor trusting fool that Faith is the refuge of losers and people who do not know anything, then that poor trusting fool will never have faith in himself. Faith is only for losers and people who do not know anything.
mirrored again, ...

Deceit is bad for you. In the end you will pay. I know you guys chose the path you do because the power is easily available and instantly rewarding. I think you will regret it in the end
mirrored yet again, ... ... ...
When you are sitting in your rocker when you are 60, you will remember all the bad things you have done.
errr, no. In fact this one doesn't apply for neither of us LOL.
 
Happeh's trolling successfully. Tossing out insults as incessantly as his ignorance. He will pass my post count in at most several days. Watch.
It stands at 1110 to 1147 now.
 
leopold99 said:
this is what everybody likes about you happeh
you are nice talking until they say something against you or "your" theory
then you turn into mr. ass wipe

you did the same thing to everyone happeh

In my case, I just like the idiot b/c he's a clown. Even a king has his court jesters.
 
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