Where does the sense of right or wrong come from, and why do you apply it?
Do you believe yourself so weak and incapable that you cannot know right from wrong if it does not come from a religious text?
If there was no God as the atheist religion preaches I would have become the most Evil Beast one would have ever known.
Why do you have a pathological need to see atheism as a religion? This isn't the first time you have tried to do this and it was explained to you in detail that atheism is not a religion. So your attempt to label it as such appears to be an attempt to flame a response. Please stop.
Secondly, again, why are
you incapable of knowing right from wrong? Why do you need your God to tell you what is right from wrong?
Could the Devil, Satan, himself never convert to become a follower of God?
Well according to religious teachings, Satan/Devil/etc only exists because God allows it to exist. It, supposedly like everything else, was created by God. And allowed to exist as the Devil/Satan by God. God can make the Devil/Satan be good again if God so chooses or wishes it, just as you claim God made you apparently good and not turn into an evil beast.
That is what I set out to find out, and God showed up. I'm telling the forum about it on the Christian Song thread but I have to take care to not preach, but I'm just telling my life story, so is that preaching? I need to define preaching.
I was doing some gardening in my garden the other week, and I thought to myself, 'I can't wait until the gardening fairies to arrive and make my flowers bloom'. As I look out at my now flowering garden, I can think to myself 'yay, the fairies made my flowers grow'.
I will of course ignore the hours of care, pruning, fertilising, aerating of the soil, mulching that led to this point in time.
I would think it would be hard to kill in cold blood if you believed in Hell. If you can rationalize that there is no God, then there is no Hell, so kill the bastards that annoy you. It is just a matter of not getting caught. Set out to be the perfect criminal. That is the way I was thinking my life could lead down such a road.
You haven't read much about the Crusades, witch trials and other religious mass murders, have you?
On a side note, people who react that way, are deemed psychopaths.
And that is what I did, but it isn't easy. There are moments when your restraint is tested. I don't know if you have had to deal with these situations.
You tell them to pack their bags and get out. Then you sell the house, divide the proceeds and get on with your life.
The only people who go out and kill in those moments are usually mentally ill.
Well if I was going to think God didn't exist - crime was going to be my life. I wasn't going to be Mr Nice Guy.
I had no family to guide me. my brother and his friends were already out of control. LSD, burglaries, arson, violent beatings, rape, guns, and other drugs were the things happening, going on, around me. But I could see it was badly organized, it needed an intelligent crime boss to make it work.
What you are basically saying is that you are not strong willed and do not have the willpower to do the right thing without being told to do the right thing.
My family are very religious. My parents are strict Catholics, and my other relatives are also very religious, with quite a few now born again Christians. Several years ago, in a bid to draw me back to believing as they do, they dragged me to a born again revival mass. We were in this giant hall and the music was exceptionally loud and this guy was screaming gospel into the microphone. All were on their feet, really getting into it. And I noticed it was starting to get warmer and warmer. This was a modern church, with airconditioning vents all around the room, so I couldn't understand why it was suddenly getting so warm, since it was very comfortable and cool when we first came in. And then I realised the guy at the front was saying how the heat everyone was feeling deep inside, that heat we were all feeling, was apparently the Holy Spirit descending on us.
By this point, we were all sweating, because it was really hot. And the crowd went wild. A large majority had their eyes roll back into their heads and waved their hands in the air and started speaking in tongues. The band eased off and then it was just the preacher at the front telling them to feel the holy spirit enter them, to feel the heat of the holy spirit. And I have to say, it was damned hot. I felt like I was boiling. So I got up from my chair and walked to the back of the room, and lifted my hand up to the airconditioning vent at the back. And it was blowing hot air into the room. It was in summer, so very hot outside. And they turned on the heater. All those deluded fools, my relatives included, thought it was the holy spirit. It was just the heater turned on high.
Then the laying on hands started. So people queued up, to feel the 'lord Jesus descend into them'.. And with the heat, not drinking for a couple of hours, mass hysteria, dehydration.. And just doing what was expected of them. Many collapsed when the dumbarse preacher put his hand on their heads. Apparently this was Jesus descending into them through the holy spirit.
The night culminated in their finding someone possessed by the Devil apparently. They had gone out, and found someone 'possessed'. That someone ended up being a drunk homeless guy who was so drunk, he could barely stand up. So the crowd hushed and sweating profusely. The poor guy was taken to the front, supported between two other people who had gone out to apparently find him. They literally had to carry him, he was so drunk and passed out, he could not walk. And the preacher did the whole lay on hands.. And the drunk by that stage passed out cold and was fast asleep when they let him go to the ground..
And all the deluded fools in there believed it. No one questioned why it was so hot, because they were told it was the holy spirit. No one questioned the drunk passed out guy passing out cold. They thought it was Satan leaving his body that they did not question or realise the waft of alcohol haze around this guy.
It is easy to believe Robittybob1, and it is easier to believe that you need someone to tell you what the right thing to do is.. It is harder to look around you and analyse the reality of what goes on around you and see your own strengths in yourself. That reality, that clarity is what atheism is. It is believing in yourself.
