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Ok Roman and Asguard. Please take a look at this and then tell me this isn't sociopathic if not psychotic behaviour. I don't believe for one second that 'bullying' is the sole cause for this kind of nihilistic action, its already been common knowledge for a while that they had planned this for a long time. I disagree with the 'loner' label as there are pictures of them in a group, they had their own crowd they ran with even if they were not the 'in' crowd. No one is saying bullying is good for kids or doesn't have negative consequences but please lets have some perspective here.
I wouldn't even say that they succumbed to depression, PTSD or any of that crap, they are prime examples of anomie.
Frags Washington piece states:
"We remember Columbine," Cullen writes, "as a pair of outcast Goths from the Trench Coat Mafia snapping and [then] tearing through their high school hunting down jocks to settle a long-running feud. Almost none of that happened. No Goths, no outcasts, nobody snapping. No targets, no feud, and no Trench Coat Mafia. Most of those elements existed at Columbine -- which is what gave them such currency. They just had nothing to do with the murders."
They claim:
Far from feckless pariahs, in fact, the two shooters in the Columbine case -- Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- were smart, reasonably popular kids who doled out more bullying than they ever suffered. Their shooting spree was not some precipitous act of revenge against specific tormentors, but more like an elaborately planned theater piece, worked out almost a year in advance, designed to demonstrate their innate superiority by indiscriminately killing as many victims as possible.
Harris and Klebold, moreover, were hardly cookie-cutter assassins. As Cullen depicts him, Harris was a sadistic and expertly manipulative psychopath, charming when he wanted to be, capable of simulating remorse, good will or cooperation if it helped him get his way. His underlying motivation was relatively simple: "I hate the [expletive] world," he complained in his journal. Klebold, on the other hand, was a tortured, erratic depressive who whined at length in his notebooks about love and romance even as he fulminated about "the real people (gods)" -- i.e., himself and Harris -- being "slaves to the majority of zombies." Klebold's aggression was inwardly directed and complex: "Good god I HATE my life," he wrote, "i want to die really bad now."
And so they did and good riddance to them.
And these two to asguard
Bad parenting and lax gun restrictions does not account nor excuse nor explain their behaviour. Did you see the video footage?
But you didn't. There is a difference between thought and behaviour and when someone gets to the point where they have to act out all their thoughts without discrimination its a sign of mental illness.
Why are you so hard pressed to defend these two guys?
To whomever
Sniffy I wasn't referring to their deaths, I was pointing out that they were dead inside long before they killed others and themselves
Sniffy Would you hold yourself responsible for every mistake your child makes? At one point you do what you can and what you know how to do or what you are able to do and then the rest is up to them. At some point your kids are going to make decisions for themselves and come to conclusions that are in no way a reflection of you
They were 'psychotic little shits'.
Sniffy: Because they are troubled kids and/or are going through complex emotional issues which no-one had the skill or empathy to recognise?
Oh stop it. Please that kind of liberalism just goes too far, 'complex emotional issues' indeed! THEY HAD NO LOVE FOR LIFE! They couldn't care for themselves or others. You give those who do have 'emotional issues' a bad name. Are we now all supposed to look at Hitler and excuse his actions as a world leader because he was a lonely child? Because he was a mediocre artist and no one wanted to recognize his work so he felt unaccepted and disenfranchised? Really now buck up man! These people are not even living in any hardship, think of all the kids around the world who live with real deprivation, who see war, who are forced into being child soldiers, sold by their families into prostitution and you have the nerve to waste your sympathy on those two! jesus the whole bloody planet should have these kind of shootings based on your argument, they should be happening 100x's a day all over the world. Basically these events are still isolated. They're not political warriors you know fighting for some misguided ideal. They were not 'crying inside' they were cold blooded psychotics too dead inside to be of any value.