it helps if you're more specific, but for 1. god made everything 2. god made people: no one man. i just made it up on the spot.
All homosexuals should be stoned to death, says Muslim preacher
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it helps if you're more specific, but for 1. god made everything 2. god made people: no one man. i just made it up on the spot.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
Filled to the brim with racism and false propaganda aren't you? Unless you can actually prove this is a legitimate Islamic viewpoint, I can't take you seriously. You should ask some people who have actually lived in the Middle East or in a Muslim country for their views on the subject.
It's easy to believe everything you hear, especially misinformation which serves to demonise other human beings, but much harder to actually judge the situation with facts. This same exact manipulation fo fact and lack of desire to learn the truth lead to the Holocaust in Germany. Hitler played on people's ignorance and on false stereotypes of Communists, Gypsies, Jews, and other groups.
Unless we actually learn to judge with facts, and not by hate websites or what we hear on hate radio, then the truth shall be forever elusive. Who is worse than he who judges people on false knowledge and justifies it with lies?
Can't do that ....all Muslims in the Middle East or in Muslim countries are all too damned busy killing each other and any others that they want. ...too busy to even answer questions!
Is there any Muslim nation or even predominately Muslim area in the world that's actually at peace today?
Baron Max
no, it's clear that you don't understand. guess he was right huh.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
sigh... I should have known this is a lost cause. No use debating racists. I should have known better than to expect truth on this forum.
I see no where where Baron mentioned "race." Indeed, the accusation of "racism" calls for an apology or retraction. He is, at best (or at worst, depending upon your point of view) a bigot. Being muslim does not constitute being part of a "race."
But this is the sort of tactic the non-superstitious individual must come to expect from the superstitious who seek to have any and all discussion and critique of their superstition(s) censored and prevented. It would seem you're as much a bigot as Baron Max.
But this is the sort of tactic the non-superstitious individual must come to expect from the superstitious who seek to have any and all discussion and critique of their superstition(s) censored and prevented. It would seem you're as much a bigot as Baron Max.
Didn't you say that the proper punishment for bestiality is the execution of the human involved, and the slaughter of the animal? With barbaric nonsense like that, no one needs to try to spread falsehoods about Islam - the truth condemns it well enough.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
Bigotry against Muslims calling them stone-aged, bronze-aged is racism. Racism is the general lexicon of modern Islamophobia. Several instances on this forum illustrate what I mean. If you remember, someone not to long ago called Muslims as living in caves with their ugly wives. The designation is racist. Stereotypes and racism against Muslims permeate the very fabric of American society, which is in turn infecting the rest fo the Western world.
It leads to issues like this:
Family Mourns Germany's "Hijab Martyr"
Dalia Shams was counting the days to welcome home her pregnant daughter, her husband and their four-year-old son.
Now, she will only get a closed casket with the body of her daughter Marwa al-Sherbini, who was stabbed to death by a German racist in a courtroom last week.
"My daughter was pregnant in her third month," the heartbroken mother told Egypt's Al-Masri Al-Youm daily on Sunday, July 5.
"I never imagined she would be a victim of terrorism and we would see her pictures in the media."
Sherbini, 32, was stabbed to death by a 28-year German of Russian origin, in a courtroom in the eastern city of Dresden on Wednesday.
He stabbed her 18 times while her husband, who was preparing to discuss his Masters next month, was injured when he tried to intervene to protect her.
He is still in hospital, recovering from stab wounds and an accidental police gunshot.
...
"My sister was a martyr of hijab," Tareq al-Sherbini told Al-Doustour, an Egyptain opposition daily.
He said his sister was harassed several times by the killer, who tried to remove her hijab by force.
The brother repeated accusations by Sherbini's husband for the German police of leniency in protecting her.
The Egyptian woman was reportedly warned before the trial that she should take off her hijab to avoid being targeted.
"A day before the murder, a friend told Sherbini that she should remove her hijab as it poses danger to her life," said Hisham Al-Askari, a Physics professor at Alexandria University and a friend of the family.
"She was told that she could lose her life because of her religiosity."
Hijab has been the subject of heated political debate in Germany, home to 3.5 million Muslims.
Several German states have banned hijab for school teachers.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...46077533&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
It leads to issues like this:
Family Mourns Germany's "Hijab Martyr"
Dalia Shams was counting the days to welcome home her pregnant daughter, her husband and their four-year-old son.
Now, she will only get a closed casket with the body of her daughter Marwa al-Sherbini, who was stabbed to death by a German racist in a courtroom last week.
"My daughter was pregnant in her third month," the heartbroken mother told Egypt's Al-Masri Al-Youm daily on Sunday, July 5.
"I never imagined she would be a victim of terrorism and we would see her pictures in the media."
Sherbini, 32, was stabbed to death by a 28-year German of Russian origin, in a courtroom in the eastern city of Dresden on Wednesday.
He stabbed her 18 times while her husband, who was preparing to discuss his Masters next month, was injured when he tried to intervene to protect her.
He is still in hospital, recovering from stab wounds and an accidental police gunshot.
...
"My sister was a martyr of hijab," Tareq al-Sherbini told Al-Doustour, an Egyptain opposition daily.
He said his sister was harassed several times by the killer, who tried to remove her hijab by force.
The brother repeated accusations by Sherbini's husband for the German police of leniency in protecting her.
The Egyptian woman was reportedly warned before the trial that she should take off her hijab to avoid being targeted.
"A day before the murder, a friend told Sherbini that she should remove her hijab as it poses danger to her life," said Hisham Al-Askari, a Physics professor at Alexandria University and a friend of the family.
"She was told that she could lose her life because of her religiosity."
Hijab has been the subject of heated political debate in Germany, home to 3.5 million Muslims.
Several German states have banned hijab for school teachers.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...46077533&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
Then why do you solely target Muslims, this is also a Judaic and hence Christian law as well. Why is there no condemnation of Jews and Christians. Oh yes, I forgot, its popular to criticize Muslims, we aren't humans after all.
So the murders of protestants by Catholics, and of Catholics by protestants in Northern Ireland were racially motivated?
You can intensely dislike the Islamic dogma without having any real axe to grind against those who are victimized by being indoctrinated in it from early childhood.
You can intensely dislike the Islamic dogma without having any real axe to grind against those who are victimized by being indoctrinated in it from early childhood.
DiamondHearts
Registered Senior Member
Completely unrelated issues. Explain the above article in light of your new found knowledge. Peace.
Completely related issues. Do you think this mad man would have felt less animosity against a woman born and raised in Germany who was wearing the hijab?
superstring01
Moderator
Especially the really bitchy-queeny ones. They drive me craaaaaaaaazy!
~String
Are there any Jews or Christians on this board defending the barbarism of the OT, or suggesting that it should be used as a basis for law in modern day western countries? There are Christian dominionists who believe that the U.S. should have a Christian theocracy, and use the OT as a basis of law. But they are an unimportant and insignificant fringe group. While there is apparently a large percentage of Muslims who feel that barbaric OT laws, such as capital punishment for bestiality, are just fine. The reality of what you believe is the problem, not the perception.
We don't. But currently Muslims are sucking even more than xtian fundies or Orthodox Jews. Such an accomplishment deserves notice.
DH,
I like how you left this part out of my statement.
"I am sure that most of the people in those nations are good and decent people who would give the shirts of their backs to help someone in need, just like in non-muslim nations.
But I won't support in anyway theocracies or dictatorships and I don't feel like going to jail for breaking some ridiculous religious law which is just the latest meathead interpretation of an interpretation in the Koran."
Next time don't twist my words or meaning.
I have made it very clear in the above that I.
1) don't have any plans on going to a muslim nation
2) I know that most muslims, like most christians and atheists and all others are decent people, IMO.
3) I have no desire to support a theocracy or dictatorship with my money. The good people trapped in that system need to solve it from within.
And I did provide evidence that they threw her in jail for sitting with an un-related man.
Just ignored that I suppose.
I like how you left this part out of my statement.
"I am sure that most of the people in those nations are good and decent people who would give the shirts of their backs to help someone in need, just like in non-muslim nations.
But I won't support in anyway theocracies or dictatorships and I don't feel like going to jail for breaking some ridiculous religious law which is just the latest meathead interpretation of an interpretation in the Koran."
Next time don't twist my words or meaning.
I have made it very clear in the above that I.
1) don't have any plans on going to a muslim nation
2) I know that most muslims, like most christians and atheists and all others are decent people, IMO.
3) I have no desire to support a theocracy or dictatorship with my money. The good people trapped in that system need to solve it from within.
And I did provide evidence that they threw her in jail for sitting with an un-related man.
Just ignored that I suppose.
DH,
Agreed, but do you not admit that radicals in muslim countries are not stirring up their own pot.
Most people act like children pointing fingers at everyone else for blame. They are not honest enough to accept any responsibility.
The problem I sense in most is that even when I am willing to meet them half-way, they are not. It gives me no incentive to continue to do so.
Agreed, but do you not admit that radicals in muslim countries are not stirring up their own pot.
Most people act like children pointing fingers at everyone else for blame. They are not honest enough to accept any responsibility.
The problem I sense in most is that even when I am willing to meet them half-way, they are not. It gives me no incentive to continue to do so.
“Originally Posted by StrangerInAStrangeLa
Jesus isn't cool. He commands you to preach to animals. He cursed a fig tree because it didn't have fruit out of season. He approved slavery. He approved a man having several wives. He told prospective disciples to hate their parents. He told his disciples that he spoke in parables so that most people wouldn't understand.
Need I go on? ”
It's clear you can't handle the truth.
Jesus isn't cool. He commands you to preach to animals. He cursed a fig tree because it didn't have fruit out of season. He approved slavery. He approved a man having several wives. He told prospective disciples to hate their parents. He told his disciples that he spoke in parables so that most people wouldn't understand.
Need I go on? ”
It's clear you can't handle the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
If you remember which thread, poster and/or day that was, say so.