actor Charlie Sheen questions '9/11'

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phlogistician said:
I quoted you already! Jesus, are you that dim that you can't go back through your posts and see where the bit I quoted you as saying came from? YOU mentioned Sheen's (in context) reputation.




You can't even remember what you wrote.
Of course I can.
You are the one imposing your interpretation about what I wrote to be the same as my intention.
I never once mentioned" "Charlie Sheen has a reputation."
I never once mentioned it in context: "I speak of Charlie Sheen. He has a great reputation."

You have not and cannot quote me on something that I never mentioned.

It is not my fault that after I explain to you my intention over and over, you absolutely refuse to acknowledge anybody's intentions. You flatly take take your misinterpretation of a statement, and impose the misinterpretation as the original intended interpretation of the one making the statement.
 
cool skill said:
Of course I can.
You are the one imposing your interpretation about what I wrote to be the same as my intention.
I never once mentioned" "Charlie Sheen has a reputation."
I never once mentioned it in context: "I speak of Charlie Sheen. He has a great reputation."

You worm, you really are wriggling now! You said, and I quote;

cool skill said:
a famous person risking their reputation

Now, in this thread titled "actor Charlie Sheen questions 9/11", after talkng about his reputation, this is somehow NOT the context? You are on your back foot, if you have to rely on such misinterpretation of your own posts!

You have not and cannot quote me on something that I never mentioned.

You mentioned it IN CONTEXT so I can quote you. You got caught out, take it on the chin like a grown up, eh?

It is not my fault that after I explain to you my intention over and over, you absolutely refuse to acknowledge anybody's intentions. You flatly take take your misinterpretation of a statement, and impose the misinterpretation as the original intended interpretation of the one making the statement.

That's just your ego talking. You assert that I don't understand you. I do, mostly, but it's hard when you contradict yourself so often.
 
duendy said:
hah! so a Professor of physics' claims are not scientific now....? oh myyy gawwwwd. whacha gonna cum out wid next, haha
and who , pray, are these structural engineers you keep goin on about. i believe they must be a figment of your imagination. why? well i deduce this cause you NEVER provide any sources to back up what yo say. so full of yourself, you pronounce...!

Jesus Christ duendy, you lazy cow, here's one reference from a woowoo website for you (I list this because perhaps you will trust this source over others!)

http://www.rense.com/general69/discred.htm

and from (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones)

- Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".

Enough? He's out of his area of expertise, and making claims without evidence. That would be like me, as an ex-physicist, using my academic credentials to make unfounded claims about Biology, which would be ludicrous.
 
phlogistician said:
Jesus Christ duendy, you lazy cow, here's one reference from a woowoo website for you (I list this because perhaps you will trust this source over others!)

http://www.rense.com/general69/discred.htm

and from (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones)

- Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".

Enough? He's out of his area of expertise, and making claims without evidence. That would be like me, as an ex-physicist, using my academic credentials to make unfounded claims about Biology, which would be ludicrous.
rubbish. Jones also has domn a demonstration that had a huge effect on audience seeing it apparently

b way, i read that articvl you gave yesterady.....
and ahhhhhhhhhh aren't ya sweet. you believe that te uni people are not complicit with neo cons admin

for example, Prof. Jones has backed out......errrm wonder why? do you think he may havegot pressure from his superiors of the uni to em cool it? tis is jest my spclation of course

however. it is not only professor Steve Jones who senses something wrong with officalstrories. have you seen my latest link yet? what do you think?......DID they--the 'terroists' defy phiysics as we knows it...?? read it and find out.
 
from your link
It melted the steel supports in the building, causing a chain reaction within the structure that brought the building to the ground.

Nobody claimed the jetfuel melted the steel. It weakened the steel.
OK, since it was mentioned, I am also upset with the quantity of concrete dust (see http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm#why ) or: http://public-action.com/911/jmcm/usyd/index.htm#why ). No concrete that I have ever known pulverizes like that. It is unnerving. My experience with concrete has shown that it will crumble under stress, but rarely does it just give up the ghost and turn to powder. But look at the pictures -- it is truly a fine dust in great billowing clouds spewing a hundred feet from the collapsing tower.


The University of Sydney -- Department of Civil Engineering

And the people on the ground see little more than an opaque wall of dust -- with inches of dust filling the streets and the lungs afterward ( http://eionews.addr.com/images/wtc/thirdexplosion.jpg or:
http://public-action.com/911/jmcm /thirdexplosion.jpg ).

What has happened here?

He is upset with the quantity of dust? Did the American government collect dust and placed it in the towers so that there would be too much dust? What the hell? How can you read something like that Duendy and not think you are dealing with a nutter?
 
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phlogistician said:
You worm, you really are wriggling now!
WTF are you talking about? What worm? Are you really that much of a pompous idiot asshole?


I posed questions that you have not answered.
There can be no legitimate discussion unless certain facts are established.
It appears to me your are just looking for things to argue about when I am trying to pose things we can agree about.
I posed certain questions for the purpose of understanding what you believe.
If you want legitimate discussion ceratin facts have to be agreed upon.
Of you simply want to rant and rave, by all means do not respond to these questions or respond with some sort of flame, insult, or snide

remark about me.
In order for me to know where you stand, all you have to do is agree or disagree.
If you agree, we can move on.
Otherwise, we can use legitimate points to support our position.


1. Fact: Charlie wrote comments openly questioning the 9/11 incident.
Choose:
A. Charlie did write such comments.
B. Charlie never wrote such comments.

Purpose: The reason I ask is because I am not sure whether or not you are aware that Charlie wrote the comments. If you are aware that he

did, we can move on. If you deny that he wrote those comments, then I thank you for your time. If you respond with insults, flames, sarcasm,

snide remarks, then I shall assume you choose B, are a total asshole, have no interest in legitimate discussion, and would thank you for your

time.


(Assuming you choose A)
2. Fact: Duendy admires Charlie for writing an article questioning the 9/11 incident.
Choose:
A. Duendy does admire Charlie for writing such comments.
B. Duendy does not admire Charlie for writing such comments.

Purpose: I am not sure if whether or not you are aware that duendy admires Charlie. If deny that duendy admires Charlie, there is nothing to

argue about. If you accept that Duendy admires Charlie, there can be debate.

For example, conmsidering the following position: To admire Charlie for this senseless.
There is no point in claiming that it is senseless for duendy to admire Charlie if you belive that duendy does not admire Charlie.
There is no point in claiming that it is senseless to admire Charlie for writing such comments if you do not believe that he even wrote such

comments.


Therefore, I asked you in the above to clarify whether or not you believe that Charlie wrote those comments, and whether or not you believe duendy admire Charlie. Again, if you do not answer these questions, I will assume you deny them, and have no intention of legitmate discussion. If you start throwing out insults and flames, I'll assume your only intention is to rant, bicker, and flame.


phlogistician said:
You are on your back foot, if you have to rely on such misinterpretation of your own posts!
What back foot? WTF are you talking about? All you seem to do is throw insults and flame. So I guess it ends here then. You have displayed every intention of skewing what I am saying, and no intention of legitmate discussion. Callimg me a worm and other names shows how screwed up you are in the head. I have no intention to have any discussion with a total scumbag who despite my attempts to have a legitimate discussion continues to insult insult insult rather state your position.

I have attempted many times to find out what exactly your opinion is. Instead of clarifying it, you come back with useless blabbering and insults. Go screw yourself. You do not belong in any decent discussion. A troll is nothing but a decrepit nutcase who knows nothing but insults and mockery. I can easily do the same thing if that is what you want. Get lost, and burn in your own flames. Sad really.
 
fucking conspirators have nothing better to do with their lives looking for new ways that something happened or didnt happen at all, like in the case of the moon landings. what a bunch of fucking BS this, surely the government would have thought up of a better way of creating an excuse rather than a 'spectacle' that millions across the world would have seen. granted though this is a government led by bush.
 
thedevilsreject said:
fucking conspirators have nothing better to do with their lives looking for new ways that something happened or didnt happen at all, like in the case of the moon landings. what a bunch of fucking BS this, surely the government would have thought up of a better way of creating an excuse rather than a 'spectacle' that millions across the world would have seen. granted though this is a government led by bush.
well let me ask you to play tyrannical empire-builder then.
you want to creat fear/trauma so as to create a massive emotional patriotic concensus behind your empire-building plans. what would you do then?
 
spuriousmonkey said:
from your link


Nobody claimed the jetfuel melted the steel. It weakened the steel.

me))who is 'nobody'? sources please. please present us offical sources which claim metal didn't 'melt' but was 'weakened'. tis is not me trying to catch you out....honist injuns. i am investigating

He is upset with the quantity of dust? Did the American government collect dust and placed it in the towers so that there would be too much dust? What the hell? How can you read something like that Duendy and not think you are dealing with a nutter?
well, if you'd bothered to have looked at te links featuring professor Steve Jones, you'd hear that apparently explosives cause dust like that--ie., planned demolition

checktis out
Proof of Controlled Demoliton At the WTC
www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
 
duendy said:
rubbish. Jones also has domn a demonstration that had a huge effect on audience seeing it apparently

Preaching to the converted is an easy gig, duendy!

b way, i read that articvl you gave yesterady.....
and ahhhhhhhhhh aren't ya sweet. you believe that te uni people are not complicit with neo cons admin

But let me guess, only the ones that disagree with YOU? HAhahahahahaha!

for example, Prof. Jones has backed out......errrm wonder why? do you think he may havegot pressure from his superiors of the uni to em cool it? tis is jest my spclation of course

Because maybe he's realised he ca't back up his assertions and that damages his scientific credibility.

however. it is not only professor Steve Jones who senses something wrong with officalstrories. have you seen my latest link yet? what do you think?......DID they--the 'terroists' defy phiysics as we knows it...?? read it and find out.

It's not about physics duendy, but structural engineering!
 
cool skill said:
WTF are you talking about? What worm? Are you really that much of a pompous idiot asshole?

YOU are the worm, twisting your own words because you got caught out.

I posed questions that you have not answered.

Tell you what, why don't you ask duendy why she mentioned Charlie Sheen, it would be way faster than your ninth grade debating school tactics.
 
phlogistician said:
YOU are the worm, twisting your own words because you got caught out.



Tell you what, why don't you ask duendy why she mentioned Charlie Sheen, it would be way faster than your ninth grade debating school tactics.
I mentioned Charlie Sheen because i respect anyone who seriously questions the awful atrocity of 9/11. i m despairing the little interest this thread has got. how people here seem to hafe chosen seemingly co,plete apathy about what 9-11 and the eno con involvement may all be about IF it IS true, and IF they come to your houses jump on your dining tabloes while you are eating and shit in your food, will you just turn away....whatdoes it take to move you. get your interest. ar you not concerned about all tis...what what? talk to me????
 
phlogistician said:
Preaching to the converted is an easy gig, duendy!

me)))how do you know his audience were already converted? jumpin to conclusions as usual


But let me guess, only the ones that disagree with YOU? HAhahahahahaha!

me)))no i am beingserious. we are talkin aout a right wingian university most likely covering itsarse....why the blindspot about this obviousness huh?

Because maybe he's realised he ca't back up his assertions and that damages his scientific credibility.

me)))orrrr maybe he may have had a combined stress of being overwhlmed from media and talks ...ANDpressurefrom his university whereeee he earns his dough. as i am tryig to tell you phlo. tis aint jest a Professor Jones issue. dont make it one. i chose him from a selection of individuals --from aforemenioned link who seriously are questioing offical story/ ti not ONLY Jones who is questioning how the towers AND building 7 came down....phlo is you keepin up? you have't even MENTIONED the latest tw new links i put up. the former is seeming to say that demolition can be proven. please look at it and highlight where you tink author's wrong.....and/or anyone welcome to investigae this



It's not about physics duendy, but structural engineering!
of course, both/and actually. we need all te help we can getto gfet to bottom of this. now--USING your much reported structural engeneerial knowledge, please analyze the LATEST two links i've given......thankyou?
 
duendy said:
now--USING your much reported structural engeneerial knowledge, please analyze the LATEST two links i've given......thankyou?

Hello, Earth calling duendy! I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER! Far from it, I said that Physicists, like I used to be, CANNOT EXTRAPOLATE their knowledge accurately to this area. That's why Physicists don't build building.

For Fucks Sake duendy, pay attention!
 
phlogistician said:
Hello, Earth calling duendy! I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER! Far from it, I said that Physicists, like I used to be, CANNOT EXTRAPOLATE their knowledge accurately to this area. That's why Physicists don't build building.

For Fucks Sake duendy, pay attention!
ohhhh, oh excuuuuse me. i had tought you were ever so au fe wit structural engineering. how then do you know who to trust better---a professor of physics idea of how WTC came dow and your chosen 'structural engineer(s) who claim what he says is crap. HOW do you know if you dont know what the structural engeineer man cause it aint yo discipline?

and.....haveyou looked at te last two links yet?? how many times do i have to ask you this!
 
phlogistician said:
No, I haven't checked your links out duendy, because they're probably just more conspiracy bullshit and I have a life.
what 'life'?? a duckin' life?...a stick yer head in the sand life?...THAT aint no liiiife!
 
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