Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[James R]

They have found a lot of dinosaur soft tissue.

Who is "they"? Link please.

 

[river]

Hi River

I hope you are well.

You don't know what a pleasure it is for me to find you contributing meaningfully to this thread.

I agree with your observation, well for my part at least.

Maybe you can take up where Jan has left off while he recovers from a severe crushing.

Certainly when engaging in the area of make believe I am somewhat at a loss as I confine my observation to things that are merely established by the casual scientific method..you know relying on theories and all that fancy book learning. Whereas you and Jan it seems are privey to some higher mystical understanding that is beyond me.

Now that you are here could I seek your higher wisdom and ask for you to reveal your higher understanding of how we have such a diversity of species and why it seems that some 98% of species that have existed on our wonderful, created by a mystical unevidenced entity, planet appear to be now extinct.

Does that mean the designer runs many proto types to find the best species?

And please one of your wise and mystical answers, that will have us all bathing in your grandness, to show us unfortunate underlings the path to truth and understanding which no doubt is within your grasp...

I know..the last answer you gave me was..."fuck off" which although succinct had hidden meaning that I still am trying to fathom. And I get a laugh imagining pogo sticking "off" horizontal to the ground on an erect penis...is that what you had in mind?

Are you ok? I hope life has been good to you...I read all your posts and see, rather I think I see, a great mind merely playing with folk without showing your total magnificence.

We all await your next profound utterance oh wise one.

Alex

Hope you are well , Alex . Where this " fuck-off " stuff came from ....who knows .

My utterance ?

Alex you are in way over head .

This not about ego , for me . It never has been .

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Where this " fuck-off " stuff came from ....who knows .

I did not take it personal, indeed the vision it produced was rather funny.

My utterance ?

I know too brief...your profound words tailored to make us think.

Alex you are way over head .

That's what I said. I only have science to view the world...you must know how limiting that must be.

This not about ego .

I can only bow to your supreme wisdom.

You don't think, say with Jan, his ego prevents him from accepting the science, fossils records and research of many scientists that indicate he is plainly wrong supporting the ID model, ... rather the scientific model put forward by the leading scientists employed in research in the field of refining the hypothesis of inteligent design...I know I treat them badly because they are still half way thru with their hypothisis and its no where near a scientific tbeory..yet..but it just seems so new to me..I mean the prospect of a designer is so ahead of these times people will be sceptical.

But I respectfully submit Jans ego is what it is all about...and no doubt the ego of others that just cringe when they are met in a discussion with bullshit...
Alex

 

[river]

I did not take it personal, indeed the vision it produced was rather funny.

I know too brief...your profound words tailored to make us think.

That's what I said. I only have science to view the world...you must know how limiting that must be.


I can only bow to your supreme wisdom.

You don't think, say with Jan, his ego prevents him from accepting the science, fossils records and research of many scientists that indicate he is plainly wrong supporting the ID model, ... rather the scientific model put forward by the leading scientists employed in research in the field of refining the hypothesis of inteligent design...I know I treat them badly because they are still half way thru with their hypothisis and its no where near a scientific tbeory..yet..but it just seems so new to me..I mean the prospect of a designer is so ahead of these times people will be sceptical.

But I respectfully submit Jans ego is what it is all about...and no doubt the ego of others that just cringe when they are met in a discussion with bullshit...
Alex

Alex and if your wrong , then what ?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Alex and if your wrong , then what ?

There are many things I think about river and I must guess at what specifically you mean.

It is hard to be wrong stating that any human response, action or motivation is not governed by ego...as one of our famous bands titles a song..ego is not a dirty word...it merely relates to how a human may be motivated. Judgement is un necessary. Judgement attaches to superstition and we both know superstition is nonsense.

I think it is quiet clear what motivates Jan..and me for that matter..you I am not sure...and I mean no disrespect it's just I am never sure of what you mean and that excludes all speculation as to where your ego is taking you...you try to be mysterious and you to a limited degree pull that off...now how your ego figures in that could be your want to remain anonymous or your wish to appear wise..I don't know.

The big question is could I be wrong in taking a position of being neither an atheist or a theist...well how could I be wrong on such a simple matter.

No hypothesis has been presented for a creator so there is no need to decide if you are on one side or the other..it is just a non event.

Alex

 

[Write4U]

I know too brief...your profound words tailored to make us think.

That's poetic....

 

[river]

Lets just get on with the discussion .

About Evolution .

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Lets just get on with the discussion .

Yes indeed.

But what is left to discuss?

Billvon has outlined the case for the credibility of The Theory of Evolution such that there is little to discuss, in so far as he has established beyond doubt the theory has been tested and supported such that no one examining the proposition could reject one single thing.

Anything in addition can only come from you river as Jan just will not be able to move about for some time due to his severe crushing...I am concerned for him as now he must confront the ego destroying reality that he has been conned..I can not imagine how one could cope with such a realisation.

All those years believing the indoctrination but now faced with the reality that he is a poor sad victim robbed of his dignity and presumably a substantial amount of cash...we need to be supportive...when he comes back he will be angry I suspect lashing out at others who are not responsible but as they are there..to help..they will get the brunt of his anger..we need to be gentle and careing and accept that with his pain he will not be entirely rational.

We must resist the urge to say "I told you so" ... he now knows better than us that he has been dupped in a cruel and evil way.

At least he is with friends that will help him survive this most terrible time.

Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

Who is "they"? Link please.

Just put “dinosaur soft tissue found”.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Lets just get on with the discussion .

About Evolution .

There is no discussion with these guys.
Either they are deluded, or they are being paid to spit these lyrics.
You may as well just have some fun, and see how many ways you can let them witness their delusion, then watch how they try to get out of it, by any means necessary. Watch as they carry on as though it never existed. It’s amazing!
One day this mindset will be in power. A very chilling thought? I know.
These guys represent the entropy of the mind.
Watch any futuristic movie where freedoms of minds are suppressed?
Then you get an idea of what is to come.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

There is no discussion with these guys.
Either they are deluded, or they are being paid to spit these lyrics.
You may as well just have some fun, and see how many ways you can let them witness their delusion, then watch how they try to get out of it, by any means necessary. Watch as they carry on as though it never existed. It’s amazing!
One day this mindset will be in power. A very chilling thought? I know.
These guys represent the entropy of the mind.
Watch any futuristic movie where freedoms of minds are suppressed?
Then you get an idea of what is to come.

I knew you would come back damaged but you are clearly broken.

At least I know I had nothing to do with it.

I told you Paddo would eat you up.
Nah..you don't fool me Jan..you are pulling the old wounded bird thing..you are arnt you?

Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

I knew you would come back damaged but you are clearly broken.

At least I know I had nothing to do with it.

I told you Paddo would eat you up.
Nah..you don't fool me Jan..you are pulling the old wounded bird thing..you are arnt you?

That remains to be seen Alex.
I’m still waiting for your reply.

 

[Jan Ardena]

You have several times now been provided with descriptions of one or more of the ways Darwinian theory was and has been tested - and tested quite thoroughly, over more than a century of research by tens of thousands of biologists and other professionals in their fields. Why do you think these ways do not exist?

We all know about his finches and stuff.
But they all remained birds.
We’re talking about the main attraction.
Dogs into whales!
How do you know that is a fact?
No pictures.
No site links.
Just explain how you know it is sci-fact as opposed to sci-fi.
Let’s keep it simple.

 

[Jan Ardena]

macro and micro evolution are different sides of the same coin.

How do you know that?

To deny such logic and observation, is to be bereft of any and all credibility.

How do you observe one type of animal evolve into a completely different type of animal?
That’s all we want to know.
I can see the logic in “microevolution”.
But “macroevolution” not only seems cuckoo, but has certain characteristics of cuckoos. Namely replacing a known fact, with a poor philosophy.
Then trying to pass it off as if it is the same fact.

Quite serious.

What amazing denial!

Bullshit.

Wow!

All you are doing is proving again my point in how you change definitions and meanings, and even the whole gists of articles, to bolster your silly mythical beliefs.

I had to show this conversation to some people, to show the level of denial in current explicit atheists. They couldn’t believe it.

No not really, simply because it is an observational fact

So just to clarify once more.
You have observed one type of animal evolve into a completely different type of animal?

Sometimes the truth hurts when foolish gullible YEC's and other religious fanatics are forced to confront it.

At this stage of your delusion, I imagine you’re incapable of distinguishing truth from falsehood.

you as usual, just as I proved before, have changed the whole gist and meaning of your article and the opinion of the christian paleontologist that made the discovery, to suit your own creationists beliefs and myths.

In what way?

Or alternatively you could show me where in your article there is any reference to any indication that Darwinism is false.

We really don’t need dinosaur soft tissue dated at 40000 years old, to show that darwinism could well be false. We don’t even need the cambrian explosion, or the many out of place fossils.
That fact is, it cannot be observed, and it isn’t the best explanation for the evidence.

Yes it is.

No it’s not.
You just need to digress, so you don’t have to answer questions that reveal your delusion.

It is what drives your arrogant stupidity and lies.

Your belligerence sounds like a cry for help.

Of course you do. It is again, what drives your arrogant lies and obtuseness.

Blah! Blah!
Are you going to comply with my request or not?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I’m still waiting for your reply.

I knew it...you are certainly confused...I guess you don't remember...think back.

We were talking about the video and starting a discussion and I asked you what you thought of the sedimentary layers...

Do you remember the video at all?

Do you remember the sedimentary layers that we were about to discuss?
You no doubt need more time to recover.
Take it easy.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Dogs into whales!
How do you know that is a fact?

Specifically covered in the video.
Alex

 

[billvon]

We all know about his finches and stuff.
But they all remained birds.
We’re talking about the main attraction.
Dogs into whales!

They all remained mammals.

How do you know that is a fact?
No pictures.
No site links.
Just explain how you know it is sci-fact as opposed to sci-fi.

Simple.

We have fossils of Pakicetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a little like dogs.

We have fossils of Ambulocetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Pakicetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Kutchicetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Ambulocetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Rodhocetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Kutchicetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Dorudon. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Rodhocetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have examples of Odontocetus. You can see them in the ocean; Orcas are an example. They looked a lot like Dorudon with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

Six steps, all identified and dated with fossils, all a lot like the previous step. But by the time you get to step six, it looks nothing at all like step one. You have gone from a small land animal to a whale.

Now ready? One, two, three - DENY!

 

[paddoboy]

Hi River

I hope you are well.

You don't know what a pleasure it is for me to find you contributing meaningfully to this thread.

Hi Alex, must take you to task on a small issue. You havn't known or been crossing swords with river to often, but the sad facts are that your subtle wit and facetiousness will almost certainty go way over his head! Sadly he just aint programmed correctly to understand or to recognise the deeper meanings of your words.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Take it easy.

I shall.
Thanks

 

[Jan Ardena]

They all remained mammals

They remained birds.

We have fossils of Ambulocetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Pakicetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Kutchicetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Ambulocetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Rodhocetus. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Kutchicetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have fossils of Dorudon. We know they existed. We have their fossils. They looked a lot like Rodhocetus with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

We have examples of Odontocetus. You can see them in the ocean; Orcas are an example. They looked a lot like Dorudon with minor changes. In your words, "adaptation not evolution."

Six steps, all identified and dated with fossils, all a lot like the previous step. But by the time you get to step six, it looks nothing at all like step one. You have gone from a small land animal to a whale.

With a little help from Gingrich.

But thanks for admitting it cannot be observed.
It is all imagination.