My tape worm is my friend. He keeps me nice and thin.“ fetuses are parasites!! ”
They are if you dont want them there.
My tape worm is my friend. He keeps me nice and thin.“ fetuses are parasites!! ”
They are if you dont want them there.
Neither, you have the kid and give it to the one that wants it, its better to raise the kid alone with one loving parent than one that doesnt care and drags the other one down.Whose decision would you give priority?
Abortion, the killing of a potential human being. now don't even get me started on how we kill other animals for no reasons, but this is something even the creationists may ponder about. Abortion, "day-after", and ohter certian methods are cold blooded murder. The problem is even our religious society have been convinced. Think, it gets companys $ which helpt the economy. Don't have sex just for fun if you are potentially and premeditationaly killing someone.
When does the fetus magically become a human being? The birth of the baby does not seem to be a good argument for reasons mentioned by SwedishFish. Hence it seems the most likely non-religious answer would be that the fetus is evolving towards becoming a fully functioning human being from conception--to birth--to puberty--and to adulthood.So that's the reason why I don't feel as if there's anything wrong with abortion. That's not to say I want to see people having abortions left and right (except in over-populated areas), but rather the whole "potential human being" is worthless until it IS one
You cannot say the fetus is nothing without knowing all the fetus is. Have you created life in your spare time? Do you even know everything there is to know about consciousness?otherwise it's nothing till then.
You cannot say for certain that the fetus is not a human being without knowing everything that makes us a human being.And if you think otherwise, I suggest not ever doing any sexual acts or even have a baby period because millions of "potential human beings" will be massacres all for the sake of created one life.
I'm uncertain what meaning you are implying by this. I think this would be under the ethical consideration of the double effect though.Isn't it ironic that some won't kill an innocent baby to save millions yet will kill millions to save an innocent baby?
No one can live on their own. It's a fact. No one. Not one. Let a baby try to live on its own. It will surely die. Heck, even a grown adult will most likely go crazy after ten years or so.Until something can live on it's own with it's own survival instinct, it is not a human it's a parasite. Without it's host, it will not live. Until that time, it is up to the host body to decide what to do about the parasite that is inhabiting it's existance. Biologically, we can not change that. And until I have the right to demand that you have a vasectomy, you do not have a right to what happens to my body. It's a double standard, but one we are unable to avoid. No one should be forced to endure physical harm, no matter the source. Some will choose to bear the burden, some will not. But it IS a burden. It does harm. It depleats you. There is no arguement to that. But we all have choices, don't we?
If abortion is murder, then I too will pay the price for not doing everything that I should have done to stopped it.There is a belief that abortion is wrong. But who ultimately pays the price when reckoning day comes? You, or the person who made the choice.
What makes you so certain God will not intervene? Anyway, it's clear that God allows alot of evil, murder, and rape to occur without intervening so a theology that does believes God exists should try to answer this question. It's not a completely answered question, but it's often said that God allows evil because there is greater good produced when people turn from their evil.You can choose to force your will and morals on others, but that just proves how weak you really are to God. You are not a judge. He is the only judge in the end, and it is not your right to choose the paths of others. Or maybe you are so self-righteous that you believe that you are above the will and judgement of God, hmm? Don't you think that if he wanted to stop it, he could intervene?
I have not condemned anyone but abortion is wrong. Just because something someone did is wrong does not make the entire person evil, and even if it did, that person could turn from their evil.Or do you not think your God that powerful? Think about these things before you condemn people for your personal values and beliefs.
The question was phrased wrong. When can someone live without their mother? Obviously after birth is ok. A couple weeks before birth it is also ok.No one can live on their own.
okinrus said:No one can live on their own. It's a fact. No one. Not one. Let a baby try to live on its own. It will surely die. Heck, even a grown adult will most likely go crazy after ten years or so.
okinrus said:If abortion is murder, then I too will pay the price for not doing everything that I should have done to stopped it.
i dunno if it is that obvious. though the baby can consume food in the outside environment, obtaining that food is another issue. that is, i am fairly sure that newborns don't have complete control over their motor functions... though i could be wrong. but if that is right, it makes it awfully hard for that baby to survive independent of its mother or some care-giving body. if that makes any sense. :bugeye:Obviously after birth is ok.
So will a cell.A baby, even a newborn infant will cry for food. It will cry for comfort. It will attempt to move towards warmth. It is trying to survive.
Well, that's better than nothing. I don't think the desire to survive can objectively be classified in law. Obviously, a new born baby will show signs of wanting to survive but this is without understanding death.At this point, I personally believe that abortion should only be done in circumstances that would cause the death or severe disability to the mother to continue to carry the pregnancy to term.
I try to take action when it's possible, but I'm quite certain that God may find me guilty of not taking action. My point was not that I'm perfect but that just because something occur does not give us the liberty to do nothing.Really... so do you go to major cities and take down drug kingpins, and gang leaders? Do you go down to the county jail and preach to the men leaving the prison who have a recidivism rate of greater than 73%? What do you do to save the living from certain death? Hmm?
It is you who claim abortion is right, and I claim it is wrong. How am I being anymore righteous than you are?It's easy to sit atop your horse and throw bolts of righteousness
When have I called anyone evil?down at the evil masses.
Life must be defended above living conditions.It's much harder to step down and do something about it. You want to change the world, start with the one that already exists so that the embryeal life you so cherish has a world to live in that isn't a pile of shit.
This is untrue. I give what I have to give. Even so, most pro-liifers do many things beyond defending the unborn's life.See, people like you drive me insane with your ignorant banter about fetal rights and yet you do nothing about the drug addicted mothers wandering the streets.
I would suppose you do all these things. If your claiming you are a better person than I am, you may be right. In any case, it's not open for debate. It will just result in you and I bragging about all the good we've done, and it will still not have any bearing on whether abortion is right.You do nothing about mothers who drink. You do nothing to help poor pregnant women get the right nutrition to create a life that is whole and healthy. You are full of shit.
This untrue. When have I said I was God?You have so many double standards that you really do believe you are God and should intervene on behalf of a fetus
This is untrue.that only has a 1/3 chance of making past the first trimester anyway.
so am i to assume you would have people live in squalor and misery so long as they do live? :bugeye:Life must be defended above living conditions.
That's the point. It can't survive by itself. It CAN survive without it's mother.antifreeze said:i dunno if it is that obvious. though the baby can consume food in the outside environment, obtaining that food is another issue.
That's just dumb and completely off topic. You don't need your biological mother for human contact. You NEED your biological mother as a young fetus.I don't think it matters whether a newborn baby could survive without its mother but whether the law requires parents.
There have been studies when children receive inadequate hujman contact. Basically, these children have lasting mental disorders.
Looks like I should have read all the responses before I responded myselfright, but as to the issue of relevance, persol, would you then say that a fetus or embryo or zygote starts being a person when it stops being a parasite?
okinrus said:So will a cell.