M*W, how can you say that no one wants abortion, yet at the same time say that you are all for abortion?
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M*W: No one "likes" abortion. I don't "like" abortion. It would be better to just avoid getting pregnant. Abortionists are board certified OB/Gyn physicians. They are not some seedy crones or barbers with a twig in back alleys everywhere. They have regular practices to keep them busy. This image of abortionists is outdated. No one "likes" abortion, but there are those that need it for whatever reason. Even the young women (sometimes older women, too), come to the clinic, and they wish they weren't there. They wish their pregnancy hadn't happened. It's traumatic for everyone. You don't even have the foggiest idea of what it's like to experience this type of medical treatment on a day-to-day basis with death all around you. Working in this environment for a period of time is when I realized that there is no death to the soul--all that remained was unwanted human tissue.
The abortionists are in the business of making a quick buck. It's easy work for them. Every board certified OB/Gyn physician has had to perform abortions during the course of his/her medical education. It's routine. It's clinical. The majority of physicians who perform abortion in addition to their regular practice just happen to be Jewish. I don't know why this is, but it is.
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"When you realize that all of the enabling and funding laws and regulations behind the Abortions Industry in America had been drafted by Jews, and that the bulk of Abortion Clinics are owned and/or controlled by Jews, and that very many of the physicians who actually perform the abortions are Jews, but that few if any Jewish women receive abortions while most abortions are performed on Caucasian women, then you will reasonably suspect that the Abortion Industry is serving the religious and political interests of the Zionists."
QUOTE: Press Release Anti-Semitism-USA (Edited to shorten post)
www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/3265_12.asp
ADL Investigation Reveals Strain of Anti-Semitism in Extreme Factions of the Anti-Abortion Movement
New York, NY, October 30, 1998
"A strain of anti-Semitism runs through the extreme factions of the anti-abortion movement, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). In the days following the fatal shooting of Dr. Barnett Slepian, a Buffalo, NY gynecologist-obstetrician who performed abortions, speculation has surfaced as to whether Dr. Slepian may have been targeted because he was a Jew. Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and the United States since 1994 have been Jewish."
"While there is no evidence to suggest that anti-Semitism was a motive for the attacks, we are deeply concerned about the strain of anti-Semitism running through some extreme factions of the movement," said Abraham H. Foxman ADL National Director. "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors control the practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war criminals." He named Human Life International, a major anti-abortion group with a history of anti-Semitism, as ‘inordinately preoccupied with Jews."
While most of the organized anti-abortion movement decries bigotry and violence, ADL’s investigation revealed that some anti-abortion groups and a few individuals, along with some extremist anti-Semitic groups, single out Jewish doctors who perform the procedure or describe Jews as controlling the abortion "industry."
Followings are some examples of the use anti-Semitism and the Holocaust by anti-abortion extremists:
Human Life International (HLI), a Virginia-based anti-abortion group, has singled out Jews as disproportionately responsible for, even controlling, the abortion-rights movement. The organization’s founder, Father Paul Marx, wrote as long ago as 1977: "I do not blame the Jews for the abortion movement. I do say, and will say because it is the truth, that it is a strange thing how many leaders in the abortion movement are Jewish." Marx supported his observation by noting, "A famous genetics professor in Paris told me that the leaders of the abortion movement in France were Jewish. I saw one, a Jewish female liar, do her thing on behalf of abortion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest."
Marx also stated: "The fact is, I am surprised and shocked by the number of Jews who lead the abortion movement in so many countries after their horrendous experience with Hitler…. My medical friends, and I have many, have told me again and again how many Jewish doctors do abortions freely. From a highly reliable source in a city I shall not name for the moment, I learned of a Jewish doctor who does sixteen abortions every Saturday morning for $300.00 each."
In 1993, an article in HLI’s newsletter declared: "Today, certain members of this people whose ancient religion and culture managed to survive Auschwitz and Buchenwald are presiding over the greatest Holocaust in the history of the world. American Jews have been leaders in establishing and defending the efficient destruction of more than 30 million preborn children in this country….Why are the victims of one Holocaust perpetrating another?"
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The unwanted people are not a problem. Researchers have, in fact, discovered that the wanted people often suffer more problems, because they are wanted. If you go out and buy the most expensive car that you've always wanted, then when it gets a scratch perchance, you will be more angry than the scratch on a cheaper model.
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M*W: okinrus, how can you say "the unwanted people are not a problem?" They end up in orphanages or in homes that don't want them. What kind of life is that? They are uneducated for the most part. Sometimes they are a stigma in the family. I don't see what your analogy about the expensive car with a scratch as opposed to a cheaper car means.
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Your problem with the Pope or the Popes is?
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M*W: I don't have a problem with the Pope, the man. He professes what I believed for a time. The old guy is at the end of his life. I have nothing bad to say about him. As far as I can tell, he was a good pope. He certainly was the Pope I believed in. He was the pope I met and shook hands with. It makes me even wonder why, after this experience with the Pope, why I became enlightened. I can't even explain it. My problem is with Paul, the Gospel writers, and the early movement of pseudo-christianity.
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Someone had to be within Catholic church to be charged with heresy. Most of the brutality was caused by the secular goverments, such as Spain.
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M*W: There were no secular governments. They were ruled by the HRE. Anyone bowing to secular governments in those days were beheaded or burned at the stake.
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There were valid reasons for the crusades.
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M*W: There were NO valid reasons for the crusades except for the crusaders to rape and pillage everyone in their pathway in the HRE to accumulate wealth for the RCC.
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I've already quoted from Hitler that shows that he was anti-christian. You and Hitler have much in common. Your fantasy world of Paul, the 'anti-christ', is similar to Hitler's.
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M*W: The Pope sided with Hitler during the war. You don't know what you're talking about. Pope JPII publically apologized for the church's involvement in the holocaust!
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No, according to one of my Jewish professors, Jews don't believe in abortion. What are you trying to imply?
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M*W: Facts are facts. I'm not trying to "imply" anything. I've already done the math. Jews have cornered the market on abortion. It's their "eye for an eye revenge" for the holocaust.
Okinrus, here's some advice. You're a guy. You will never experience a fetus in your body. You said you don't even have a girlfriend right now. When and if you do, or if you wait until you are married, perhaps your wife will experience what it's like to have human life in her womb. I hope when that time comes, it was be loved and wanted and will have a good life. Until then, the only basis you have to disagree with abortion is what your religion has taught you. Your religion is outdated. I personally believe that the fetus does not contain a portion of the One Spirit of God. Therefore, the fetus does not go to limbo, purgatory or hell. It does not go to heaven. It simply does not exist. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. It serves no purpose in life. However, in this life, there is a fine balance between nature and energy and time. The aborted fetus was not destined to carry the One Spirit of God across the face of the Earth. That's the ONLY reason we are here in the first place. The loss of that particular fetus was part of the fine balance of nature, energy and time. There will be other fetuses to compensate for that one. This requires faith in humanity (God) to understand the fine balance of nature. There are no accidents in the universe, and there is synchronicity in all things. The important thing is that there is no death to the soul.
I appreciate your value for human life. Spend your time helping those who are already here. See to it that their quality of life is promising. Adopt a child or even a pet. Life is life. Since you are pro-life, do something pro-life to counter balance abortion. This will ensure a more positive pro-life role for you. It will also enable you to grow spiritually. Focus on the positive and not on the negative. The most important thing you could do is FORGIVE all those women who abort. FORGIVE all the abortionists for their deeds. FORGIVE all the abortion clinics. FORGIVE the fetuses for whatever reasons it was not their time on Earth. FORGIVE yourself, too. I believe forgiveness is the most powerful tool we have. Use it frequently.
