A Request Directed to Sciforums' "Atheists"

[Trooper]

Nice.. Very classy.

Fear not, my little poster girl for birth control, you may get your wish soon enough.

The man who raped me 2 weeks ago in my home is out on bail and intent on harming me again. So put on those red shoes and tap them 3 times and make your wish. You might just have it come true. Would you like his phone number so you can cheer him on? You seem like just the type.

:wtf:......:shrug:... :crazy:

Is abortion murder?


How is the comparison even valid?

Murder is the actual killing of another person.

Abortion is the woman exercising her rights over her own body.

 

[Capracus]

And then there is the proposition that we continue to take such bizarre digressions as serious arguments, because if we acknowledge that they are not, certain people need to be specifically and forcibly excluded from the discussion insofar as their most apparent goal is to disrupt or even preclude it.

They can certainly claim that their dedicated efforts to distract, disrupt, and digress are being misrepresented because they're not actually making sincere arguments, but I don't think that will help them much.

Or they can factually claim that self described sincere posters do unreasonably frame pertinent commentary as to give it the appearance of irrelevancy and disruptiveness in an attempt to make the stench of their own stinking piles less offensive by comparison.

To be clear, this is what you are now defending:

Ok, let’s leave it up to the men. Men can now require all sexual partners to submit to monthly pregnancy tests and be given the right to terminate as well. Problem solved.

As predictable as a broken watch, leave it to Bells to present the comment out of its original context.

I mean, heaven forbid he takes responsibility for his actions. Oh no, it's all on her to not get pregnant. Well if it is all on her, then you make the pro-choice argument for me. If it is all on her when she gets pregnant, then it is also all on her to decide what to do with the fetus and when to abort it if she so chooses.

Ok, let’s leave it up to the men. Men can now require all sexual partners to submit to monthly pregnancy tests and be given the right to terminate as well. Problem solved.

Bells wanted the man to take responsibility for a woman’s pregnancy, and I proposed a solution to that request. Bells is either to obstinate or dimwitted to see the intended point of the comment, which was if women can’t or won't take the necessary precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancy, then by default she's leaving it up to the man.

 

[Bells]

:wtf:......:shrug:... :crazy:

Is abortion murder?


How is the comparison even valid?

Murder is the actual killing of another person.

Abortion is the woman exercising her rights over her own body.

You are absolutely correct.

Consider it Capracus's version of a man having control over the woman's body..

As I said, you are just the type to cheer it on.

 

[Write4U]

Quote Originally Posted by Capracus View Post

Quote Originally Posted by Bells View Post
I mean, heaven forbid he takes responsibility for his actions. Oh no, it's all on her to not get pregnant. Well if it is all on her, then you make the pro-choice argument for me. If it is all on her when she gets pregnant, then it is also all on her to decide what to do with the fetus and when to abort it if she so chooses.

Ok, let’s leave it up to the men. Men can now require all sexual partners to submit to monthly pregnancy tests and be given the right to terminate as well. Problem solved.

And that is your alternative to men taking responsibility? That is tortured logic IMO. Once the condition exist the men has no rights of any kind. The burden shift to the woman by default. She is one being pregnant and must live with the consequences of her and in many cases her man's choices, if he is still around. But the man cannot be held responsible even if he walks away without so much as looking back.

I understand Bells to say that men should act responsibly "before" getting the woman pregnant.

 

[!!!!!batman!!!!!]

something i would like to point out, if two people are having intercourse on a regular basis having a pregnancy test done on a monthly basis might not necessarily be a bad idea simply on the basis of it providing as much advance notice as possible; which provides more time to prepare for the birth itself and the need for taking care for an infant. forcing a woman to take pregnancy tests monthly may seem superficially like male domineering but from my perspective its basic responsibility to the action being taken.

 

[Trooper]

As I said, you are just the type to cheer it on.

You were raped two weeks ago? Did you mention this before and I somehow missed it? That’s an odd way to elicit sympathy, isn't it?

I’ll take your word for it that it happened...and I am truly sorry that it happened to you.

 

[GeoffP]

Legal deadlines

I already had provided the citation.

Not to me: that's another lie.

Your suspicions mean nothing to me. You continuously defended his comments

A lie.

, falsely accused me of not linking it when I had.

A lie.

As for my comments about your issues understanding rape and how you defended comments that encouraged domestic violence..

You know perfectly well that none of that is in context. So, this is more lying; additionally, it's off-topic lying.

When you enter a thread about rape, it is best to

Bring your brain. So why don't you?

and you ignored years and years of research which all clearly prove that you are wrong.

That's five lies in total and all serious ones, too.

In fact, when you were provided with this information, you still kept claiming that you were correct.

You presented nothing of any relevance to my contemplations, as I recall. This is more character assassination and intimidation. I wonder where you learned it? Anyway, this is being added to the complaint submission. I'm sure it will do nothing; as usual you will rope-a-dope and plea to your own ignorance.

 

[Bells]

You were raped two weeks ago? Did you mention this before and I somehow missed it? That’s an odd way to elicit sympathy, isn't it?

I’ll take your word for it that it happened...and I am truly sorry that it happened to you.

Why would I want the sympathy of a person who wishes me dead? It was merely a statement that you may soon have your wish.

See this topic brings out the absolute worst in people, myself included. Granted, as a woman I have an interest in it. And so do you.

But at no time have I ever wished someone never existed, especially so gleefully. And I think if someone can sink that low, well, anything is possible. So why would you think I was trying to garner your sympathy? Frankly, I no longer think you are capable of it.

Times change, however. I kind of wish my mother had aborted me or miscarried me as well at the moment. Huzzah.. Let's have a party Trooper. We actually agree on something in this thread.

 

[Bells]

Not to me: that's another lie.

You decided to respond to my posts about it. Perhaps next time you might read what is written and click on the links provided before you start ranting about the lack of links.

A lie.



A lie.

Just because you keep saying it, does not mean it's true. People only have to go back a few pages and see that clearly.

You know perfectly well that none of that is in context. So, this is more lying; additionally, it's off-topic lying.

Oh we got the context. Why do you think everyone balked at your hand wringing of 'should it really be called rape?'..

Bring your brain. So why don't you?

Oh I did. Just because you did not is not my problem. You defended a rape apologist and tried to argue that men rape because they just want to fuck or they feel sexual attraction for someone they cannot get.

That's five lies in total and all serious ones, too.

Once again, proof that you did not click on any links.

You presented nothing of any relevance to my contemplations, as I recall. This is more character assassination and intimidation. I wonder where you learned it? Anyway, this is being added to the complaint submission. I'm sure it will do nothing; as usual you will rope-a-dope and plea to your own ignorance.

Oh, yay.. yet another submission of your complaint. My ray of sunshine just appeared today.. *Sigh* I best go and copy and paste it into the moderator's forum again. Makes for fun reading. Just a word of advice.. When you file reports, it's best to not word it so that you are complaining about the person's opinion about the subject. That's what the threads are for, for you to argue the thread topic (I understand this is very hard for you). Please the submissions keep it to complaints about the breach of rules, etc, not about what the other person thinks about abortion. Because it just makes your complaint "submission" look petty and childish in the sense of 'waaahhh they don't agree with me so I think they are this and that'.. I hope that helps you in the future.

Still waiting for you to provide proof of your claims by the way. However seeing that you have yet to provide anything at all, I won't hold my breath. I have to admit though, looking back through your history of posting, you rarely ever provide anything at all to support your claims. So I doubt that will change anytime son. Ho hum.

 

[Write4U]

You were raped two weeks ago? Did you mention this before and I somehow missed it? That’s an odd way to elicit sympathy, isn't it?

I’ll take your word for it that it happened...and I am truly sorry that it happened to you.

Ok, here we have a real life example. You tell us what freedom Bells has in deciding whether to have this child or to terminate before it is a child. Let's just say that in case of rape the woman's body has the right to "reject" the sperm or fertilized egg, which is no different if the woman consciously decides to use birth control pills prior to intercourse, or in case of unexpected rape her conscious mind has the right to seek medical help in "rejecting" the fertilized egg.

Seems to me fruit of the same Constitunional right to the woman's right to HER Life, Liberty and "Pursuit of happiness

 

[Trooper]

Why would I want the sympathy of a person who wishes me dead? It was merely a statement that you may soon have your wish.

See this topic brings out the absolute worst in people, myself included. Granted, as a woman I have an interest in it. And so do you.

But at no time have I ever wished someone never existed, especially so gleefully. And I think if someone can sink that low, well, anything is possible. So why would you think I was trying to garner your sympathy? Frankly, I no longer think you are capable of it.

Times change, however. I kind of wish my mother had aborted me or miscarried me as well at the moment. Huzzah.. Let's have a party Trooper. We actually agree on something in this thread.

No one wishes you dead, Bells. I was being facetious. I didn't know you were recently raped. I am sorry.

You need to take a step back, though. You're losin' it, Bells! This forum isn't that important. Take a break and take care of yourself.

Be well...

 

[GeoffP]

You decided to respond to my posts about it. Perhaps next time you might read what is written and click on the links provided before you start ranting about the lack of links.

At no time did I discuss Capracus' comments, nor comment to those. This is another lie.

Just because you keep saying it, does not mean it's true. People only have to go back a few pages and see that clearly.

Ironically, this is one of the things you've been saying that's true.

Oh we got the context.

Yes, I know you invented a new context for it. That's why I'm offended, and that's why it's trolling.

Why do you think everyone balked at your hand wringing of 'should it really be called rape?'..

All right: I dare you to post that comment here. Let's see what was so horrendous. And don't trim it down like you're probably planning to: context. remember?

Oh I did. Just because you did not is not my problem. You defended a rape apologist and tried to argue that men rape because they just want to fuck or they feel sexual attraction for someone they cannot get.

Both those things are lies, yet again.

Once again, proof that you did not click on any links.

You posted an uncited assertion. That's trolling.

Oh, yay.. yet another submission of your complaint.

I'm so glad you're glad. The way you're carrying on with libel, character assassination, misrepresentation and trolling, I imagine there will be plenty more. I don't know what the admins will do, if anything, but the list can be as long as you want it to be. I just deleted the remaining insults. Freebie.

 

[Kittamaru]

Alrighty... this thread has gone on quite long enough I dare say, especially for not actually accomplishing anything...

I'm going to give it until 10pm EST June 1st, then close it. Get your parting shots in while you can.

 

[Gremmie]

Alrighty... this thread has gone on quite long enough I dare say, especially for not actually accomplishing anything...

I'm going to give it until 10pm EST June 1st, then close it. Get your parting shots in while you can.

C'mon Kitt...

You can't close this thread... It's actually one of the more entertaining threads we have at the moment.

To kill it, is like shooting "Old Yeller"... That made me cry... You wanna make me cry again?

 

[Bells]

No one wishes you dead, Bells. I was being facetious. I didn't know you were recently raped. I am sorry.

You need to take a step back, though. You're losin' it, Bells! This forum isn't that important. Take a break and take care of yourself.

Be well...

To put it into some perspective, it has taken me 2 weeks to be able to say the word rape as it applies to me. I have not slept properly since it happened, my parents have moved into my house to protect me, I suppose. My partner is desperately trying to either quit his job or find employment closer to home so he can be here, my ex husband is looking after our children because I am too scared for their safety for them to sleep here. Going somewhere else won't make me feel safer. Nothing will. The man who did this to me is mentally unstable. While I have all the legal protections one can have in such situations, he is still driving up and down past my street. Since he is keeping his 'distance', you get my point. But, there is no sleep for the wicked, so I remain awake.

Am I losing it? No. What I have lost is patience for pure BS. I have absolutely lost patience with people who delve into the realms of fantasy instead of applying reality and those who deny.. deny.. deny. And I have lost even more patience with people who jump to the absolute and ridiculous extreme to try and make a point because applying a realistic standard is simply unrealistic. And the patience I had for people who claim there is no link when there clearly are links has gone out the window.

Don't worry, this place isn't where I will lose it. Real life is. This place has nothing on that.

 

[Capracus]

And that is your alternative to men taking responsibility? That is tortured logic IMO. Once the condition exist the men has no rights of any kind. The burden shift to the woman by default. She is one being pregnant and must live with the consequences of her and in many cases her man's choices, if he is still around. But the man cannot be held responsible even if he walks away without so much as looking back.

I understand Bells to say that men should act responsibly "before" getting the woman pregnant.

And what would such acts of responsibility by a man include? A condom, proof of vasectomy, or a promise to pull out? And as you noted above, since the woman is the one burdened with pregnancy, she bears the ultimate responsibility for the validation of the man’s actions as well of those fully under her control. For a man to have equal responsibility, either the woman or the law would have to concede to its delegation.

 

[Balerion]

To put it into some perspective, it has taken me 2 weeks to be able to say the word rape as it applies to me. I have not slept properly since it happened, my parents have moved into my house to protect me, I suppose. My partner is desperately trying to either quit his job or find employment closer to home so he can be here, my ex husband is looking after our children because I am too scared for their safety for them to sleep here. Going somewhere else won't make me feel safer. Nothing will. The man who did this to me is mentally unstable. While I have all the legal protections one can have in such situations, he is still driving up and down past my street. Since he is keeping his 'distance', you get my point. But, there is no sleep for the wicked, so I remain awake.

Am I losing it? No. What I have lost is patience for pure BS. I have absolutely lost patience with people who delve into the realms of fantasy instead of applying reality and those who deny.. deny.. deny. And I have lost even more patience with people who jump to the absolute and ridiculous extreme to try and make a point because applying a realistic standard is simply unrealistic. And the patience I had for people who claim there is no link when there clearly are links has gone out the window.

Don't worry, this place isn't where I will lose it. Real life is. This place has nothing on that.

Keep your personal business out of the forum. Don't use it as an excuse to be abusive to us.

 

[Bells]

Keep your personal business out of the forum. Don't use it as an excuse to be abusive to us.

Abusive to you?

Hah.. That's a hoot coming from you, Balerion.

 

[Bells]

And what would such acts of responsibility by a man include? A condom, proof of vasectomy, or a promise to pull out? And as you noted above, since the woman is the one burdened with pregnancy, she bears the ultimate responsibility for the validation of the man’s actions as well of those fully under her control. For a man to have equal responsibility, either the woman or the law would have to concede to its delegation.

And yet you don't think that a woman loses her rights when equal personhood is given to the fetus..

Irony..

 

[Balerion]

Abusive to you?

Hah.. That's a hoot coming from you, Balerion.

Abusive to everyone, Bells. Or did you forget that you just used it as an excuse to accuse another member of wanting you to be murdered?

I've never met anyone so low that they'd leverage something like that in an unrelated argument to score an "oh snap" point. Disgusting.