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Capracus said:
And what would such acts of responsibility by a man include? A condom, proof of vasectomy, or a promise to pull out? And as you noted above, since the woman is the one burdened with pregnancy, she bears the ultimate responsibility for the validation of the man’s actions as well of those fully under her control. For a man to have equal responsibility, either the woman or the law would have to concede to its delegation.
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More tortured logic. Give me a break.
 
Write4U said:
More tortured logic. Give me a break.
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If you had a sexually active daughter, how would you advise her to proceed in regards to her reproductive responsibility? Assume that all men will act honorably, and throw caution to the wind? Love to hear your sage advice.
 
Balerion said:
Not all rights. Just the right to end a life.
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Never seen yet in reality (maybe a pictore of a vague shape inside the mother). Contrary to murder of a living person which affects current physical reality and the resulting consequences, abortion leaves a status quo in the world. Nothing changes and there are no physical repercussion to anyone but the mother, to which only she has a right to carry.
 
Capracus said:
If you had a sexually active daughter, how would you advise her to proceed in regards to her reproductive responsibility? Assume that all men will act honorably, and throw caution to the wind? Love to hear your sage advice.
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Encouraging a lot of dating would not be one of them. There are many other ways to maintain an iteresting sexual relationship without fear of getting pregnant.
 
Capracus said:
If you had a sexually active daughter, how would you advise her to proceed in regards to her reproductive responsibility? Assume that all men will act honorably, and throw caution to the wind? Love to hear your sage advice.
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Take your daughter to a Planned Parenthood for unbiased and private advice on her options for her reproductive choices so that she can feel free to discuss it with someone who is not a parent who may or may not judge her or her choices. Teach her about sexual safety and the need for condoms and spermicide at all time, regardless. A method like an IUD is good for preventing pregnancy. Unlike the pill, it won't rely on her memory to be effective and if she has taken anti-biotics, etc, it won't affect it (like it does with the pill).

Then sit on your front porch, strumming Deliverance on a banjo with a shotgun next to you each time a guy comes over to pick her up for a date.
 
Write4U said:
Encouraging a lot of dating would not be one of them. There are many other ways to maintain an iteresting sexual relationship without fear of getting pregnant.
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But in matters of sexual activity that may result in pregnancy, she must be the final arbiter, she must be prepared to effectively deal with the consequences of such activity, she must be the Boy Scout.
 
Bells said:
Take your daughter to a Planned Parenthood for unbiased and private advice on her options for her reproductive choices so that she can feel free to discuss it with someone who is not a parent who may or may not judge her or her choices. Teach her about sexual safety and the need for condoms and spermicide at all time, regardless. A method like an IUD is good for preventing pregnancy. Unlike the pill, it won't rely on her memory to be effective and if she has taken anti-biotics, etc, it won't affect it (like it does with the pill).

Then sit on your front porch, strumming Deliverance on a banjo with a shotgun next to you each time a guy comes over to pick her up for a date.
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I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve been pushing my 22 year old daughter to get an IUD for over a year, but unfortunately her GP takes an old school approach and advises against it. It’s worked great for my wife for decades. If I played the banjo and owned a shotgun I might consider the porch option.
 
i would like to remind people posting on this thread that it was intended to be a thread about atheism, and that content regarding sexuality should be relegated to its own thread
 
Capracus said:
But in matters of sexual activity that may result in pregnancy, she must be the final arbiter, she must be prepared to effectively deal with the consequences of such activity, she must be the Boy Scout.
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Unless she is fed a date rape pill, or assaulted by a bunch of boys. When an unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is always the man's (boy's) fault.
I cannot imagine a woman (girl) going on a date expecting to get pregnant and then having to have an abortion.
Sadly, even in todays world "no" is not a deterrent, which shows our kinship to the animal world.
 
Write4U said:
Unless she is fed a date rape pill, or assaulted by a bunch of boys. When an unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is always the man's (boy's) fault.
I cannot imagine a woman (girl) going on a date expecting to get pregnant and then having to have an abortion.
Sadly, even in todays world "no" is not a deterrent, which shows our kinship to the animal world.
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When a woman fails to use or insist upon adequate contraception it's the "boys" fault when an unwanted pregnancy occurs? Who has the keys to this door?
 
Write4U said:
Unless she is fed a date rape pill, or assaulted by a bunch of boys. When an unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is always the man's (boy's) fault.
I cannot imagine a woman (girl) going on a date expecting to get pregnant and then having to have an abortion.
Sadly, even in todays world "no" is not a deterrent, which shows our kinship to the animal world.
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This and more this..

Capracus said:
I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve been pushing my 22 year old daughter to get an IUD for over a year, but unfortunately her GP takes an old school approach and advises against it. It’s worked great for my wife for decades. If I played the banjo and owned a shotgun I might consider the porch option.
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Then advise her to go to a Planned Parenthood or other reproductive health clinic so she can discuss all her options with someone who is not going to be applying their own old school approaches to treating their patients.

When a woman fails to use or insist upon adequate contraception it's the "boys" fault when an unwanted pregnancy occurs? Who has the keys to this door?
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He also has options.
 
I believe it is written in the Koran that because men have no selfcontrol it is up to the woman to present an unapproachable figure. Yes, women have to save men from themselve. INO, that pure rot.
 
Bells said:
Then advise her to go to a Planned Parenthood or other reproductive health clinic so she can discuss all her options with someone who is not going to be applying their own old school approaches to treating their patients.
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The balls more in her court at the moment as her GP will reluctantly giver a referral, but my daughter is leery of the advertised potential for increased bleeding and cramping during periods.

He also has options.
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But the woman has to screen the application and verify that those options are taken. Ideally she's the bouncer at the door.
 
Capracus said:
But the woman has to screen the application and verify that those options are taken. Ideally she's the bouncer at the door.
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But that would require freely available compulsory and effective sex education in high-school that all students attend regardless of their parents preferences.
 
Trippy said:
But that would require freely available compulsory and effective sex education in high-school that all students attend regardless of their parents preferences.
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I would say that high-school is a bit too late. I remember basic sex ed in my day was in 4th or 5th grade. Any kid these days possessing basic reading and internet skills can educate themselves. The high-school health course my daughter had a handful of years ago was quite thorough, but unfortunately parents here in California and many other states have the right to opt out of the sexual health segments.
 
Capracus said:
I would say that high-school is a bit too late. I remember basic sex ed in my day was in 4th or 5th grade. Any kid these days possessing basic reading and internet skills can educate themselves. The high-school health course my daughter had a handful of years ago was quite thorough, but unfortunately parents here in California and many other states have the right to opt out of the sexual health segments.
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They allow you to opt out of it?

That's appalling. And they wonder why teen pregnancy rates and STD's and unwanted pregnancies in general remain so high.

I had great sex ed classes and this was years ago. They even brought out condoms and cervical caps and explained how and why they should be used and explained the different types of birth control available for males and females. Certainly, there were a lot of giggles in the class, but it stuck with us. Even to this day. This formed part of our physical education classes and taught by the biology teachers. It was really comprehensive and went for a few weeks actually. This was around the time that HIV/AIDS was killing so many people and once we realised why it was so comprehensive, a lot of the giggling stopped.
 
Capracus said:
I would say that high-school is a bit too late. I remember basic sex ed in my day was in 4th or 5th grade. Any kid these days possessing basic reading and internet skills can educate themselves. The high-school health course my daughter had a handful of years ago was quite thorough, but unfortunately parents here in California and many other states have the right to opt out of the sexual health segments.
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Yeah, ordinarily I would say no later than 12 years old, but people get squirmy when you say things like that. Regardless, that is probably the latest it needs to happen. I would, however, settle for compulsory sex ed in high-school (early in highschool) as a 'compromise'.
 
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