Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Its more of an agnostic prayer than anything else. Why would an atheist waste time speaking to 'what may or may not have an interest in the matter'?
A Funeral for Faithless persons
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Its more of an agnostic prayer than anything else. Why would an atheist waste time speaking to 'what may or may not have an interest in the matter'?
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M*W: Well said, and I want to add... and take care of each other when I'm gone.
*************Not if what Jesus said is true. The question becomes "How would He know?"
M*W: There haven't been any sightings of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, in the past 5,000 years, but just in case I've missed any, please reply with scientific confirmtion of such.
Absolutely.
"What would a funeral for the faithless look like?"
That's a dumb question. It is full of emotion and a final leave-taking of a loved one. Except without all of the beseeching of a glorified garden-fairy for "happiness" or whatever in some acid-trip of an afterlife. What else would it look like?
We burned my dad and put his urn in a hole. We told stories, cried, laughed, ate some of his favorite foods, and went home. I dream about him quite often. What do you faith-junkies do?
That's a dumb question. It is full of emotion and a final leave-taking of a loved one. Except without all of the beseeching of a glorified garden-fairy for "happiness" or whatever in some acid-trip of an afterlife. What else would it look like?
We burned my dad and put his urn in a hole. We told stories, cried, laughed, ate some of his favorite foods, and went home. I dream about him quite often. What do you faith-junkies do?
Thanks, Just a brief glance indicates that to be an interesting paper.
I found some more about him here:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/habermas/
http://www.habermasforum.dk/
I'm interested in his debate with the Jesuits, he seems like a really clear thinker and I'd love to hear his notions about empiricism and reason.
There is a difference between a funeral and a burial. You don't need a body for a funeral.
There are few Atheists who are aware of death and remain Atheist. All the accounts i have read indicte the decedent becomes at the very least Agnostic. Usually they then have a spiritual type of display. One funeral i went to they poured sand into a vase and had a moment of silence
i always thought the faithless shipped their bodies to dawkins' residency for his own perverted pleasure - pardon, "science". a faithless funeral would look pathetic, is what it would look like. the turnout would be embarrassing - the only attendees would be the deceased's kids and the dude responsible for the rotten food, most of the deceased's atheist friends would be like "fuck it, why attend? he is dead anyway, and because there is no life after death, he'll never know the difference ... i think i'm going to just sleep in this morning and jack off to quantum porn later on, right after I take my twelve different anti-depressant medication pills ... haha, brain-dead religious morons". the food would probably suck too, like "wow, seven different types of salted crackers! you guys over at Shit-Suckers Bakery Inc. really outdid yourselves this time, way to rise to the occasion ..."
it would especially be tough on the kids. "where's daddy?" ... "well Sammy, dad's corporeal remains are right in front of your stupid freckled face; however, the complex chemical reactions which employ 'life' to each individual has been ruthlessly sucked out of his wretched body, and he will soon decompose like your ugly pet hamster did last year".
whether or not you're religious, you can't argue over which side has the better funeral services. c'mon ...
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
lol Relevance?
Where is the support for this claim, please?
The accounts numbering... how many out of the millions of atheists that have died?
The last sentence is a non sequitur to the rest of your comments?
Please feel free to actually attend a non-faith funeral service and then comment, rather than just vomit your uninformed view and obvious dislike of atheists onto this site. Thanks.
Of the ones I've been to I can certainly say that religious ones tend to be sombre and melancholic, the non-faith ones being far happier and celebratory. (I appreciate that my view of religious ones is driven by Christian services - I have no experience of non-Christian religious services).
In the home, on a hill, in a field, on a beach, in a funeral parlour, at the crematorium.
Tangi are a three day affair (at a marae IIRC), with the internment occuring at sunrise on the last day, followed by a celebratory feast.
Here's a suitable poem for the occasion:
Death is nothing at all
Death is nothing at all,
I have only slipped away
into the next room.
I am I,
and you are you;
whatever we were to each other,
that, we still are.
Call me by my old familiar name,
speak to me in the easy way
which you always used,
put no difference in your tone,
wear no forced air
of solemnity or sorrow.
Laugh as we always laughed
at the little jokes we shared together.
Let my name ever be
the household word that it always was.
Let it be spoken without effect,
without the trace of a shadow on it.
Life means all
that it ever meant.
It is the same as it ever was.
There is unbroken continuity.
Why should I be out of mind
because I am out of sight?
I am waiting for you,
for an interval,
somewhere very near,
just around the corner.
All is well.
Henry Scott Holland
Death is nothing at all
Death is nothing at all,
I have only slipped away
into the next room.
I am I,
and you are you;
whatever we were to each other,
that, we still are.
Call me by my old familiar name,
speak to me in the easy way
which you always used,
put no difference in your tone,
wear no forced air
of solemnity or sorrow.
Laugh as we always laughed
at the little jokes we shared together.
Let my name ever be
the household word that it always was.
Let it be spoken without effect,
without the trace of a shadow on it.
Life means all
that it ever meant.
It is the same as it ever was.
There is unbroken continuity.
Why should I be out of mind
because I am out of sight?
I am waiting for you,
for an interval,
somewhere very near,
just around the corner.
All is well.
Henry Scott Holland
It's (ironically) a little more complicated than that, and I suppose it depends on how you define a funeral :3.
The internment rite can be religous (Christian, Islam, whatever), but, the tangi is the traditional rite of rememberance, it doesn't have any specific religous bent per se, it's a time of rememberance celebration and mourning.
Oh brother... :bugeye:
So you're claiming that most atheists aren't aware of death?
I wonder how not...
For example, I'm an atheist and I'm aware of death.
Am I in a minority?
That's damned clever of them. How does one become agnostic after one has died?
And how do you know they became agnostics after they died?
You tell me.