98% of Catholic Women us Contraception

as soon as the sperm penetrates the egg, it is a human being which possesses a soul with free will and intellect, and the gift of life given to them by Almighty God. That's really all you need to know.

You have failed to produce any evidence of the bible saying this.
Please stop being condescending. You can't prove this. You're making it up.
Free will and intellect in an egg? Please document this. Or at least define free will and intellect. Can it do algebra? Does it have a political affiliation?
Maybe eggs should be allowed to vote... Come on dude. You're trolling right?
 
are you really surprised? i'm not. it makes perfect sense. the more they squawk about their exemplary morality, the more reason they have to drag their 16 year old pregnant teenage daughter to the clinic before anyone finds out.

and besides, isn't that the whole point of catholicism? to take direction from the pope instead of god? to be accountable to some politically motivated man, or an institution of men, instead of to god? how seriously are you supposed to take it, when you're accountable to a bunch of ineffectual, archaic, liars and pedophiles?

i have never ever understood how it is that people who understand even the mere basics of the bible...bible 101...could buy into catholicism. it's so overwhelmingly obvious that these men, and this institution attempts to put itself in christ's place.

the fruits of this deception are obvious as well. and you know, i don't really think it's deception as much as the result of people who are looking to buy in to the lie, because it is i'm sure much easier to have a relationship with this institution, than it is to have a relationship with god; god isn't an institution of fucked up humans.

here's some scripture for catholics (and some other religious people) to chew on...

Matthew 7

Judging Others

1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
True and False Prophets

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

that one Lori357 24 right down to the great crash , if you understand that is to know Me for the ruin of that house was great. It is metaphorical of the falling Man, burning man , and the falling angel concepts, it is also metaphorical of looking at the world from the bottom of a well . Some Muslims understand the bottom of a well thing . Anyway one of me favorite quotes from the book of Luke . May keys in Luke . It is considered the healer book of the new testament. You should read it again and look for the 3rd day fifth month and 7th year . It might speak to you if you find it , it is all in the first few chapters and not at all hard to find .
 
Meaning knowing his soul. But when is the soul "put into" the child?
The soul is immediately placed into the "clump of cells" which formed as a result of the sperm penetrating the egg. This "clump of cells" is a human "clump of cells" which will soon develop into a zygote, fetus, intant, baby, child, teen, adult, geriatric... The soul is present immediately upon impact and the first instant of conception. The soul's presence is what makes abortion such an atrocity.
 
You have failed to produce any evidence of the bible saying this.
Please stop being condescending. You can't prove this. You're making it up.
Free will and intellect in an egg? Please document this. Or at least define free will and intellect. Can it do algebra? Does it have a political affiliation?
Maybe eggs should be allowed to vote... Come on dude. You're trolling right?
No. The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God. (St. Luke 1:35)
 
A Guttmacher Institute study found that 98% of Catholic women use birth control despite what the rules of their church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJ-h7ZaAGg&feature=feedu

Interesting fact that most Catholic Women don't believe the crap their Religion says they're supposed to believe.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/prabort2.html

Abortion common among women regardless of religious or political affiliation. Even in groups thought to oppose abortion.

I've always had a feeling that Republicans and these religious folks had abortions, now the study confirms it. So, all these groups screaming about abortion and they use it just as much as people that are Pro-Choice. Ha!

I'm wondering what you religious folks think about this hypocrisy? Often the Liberal or Democrat is blamed for being Pro-Choice and killing babies when the other side was doing it all along.

Oh those darn Christians! Being locked in the past! And not being locked in the past! I hate them for their revanchionism! And for their non-revanchionism!
 
So the cells that rub off my skin everyday have a soul? A bag of blood has a soul?

There are more cells in both of them than there are initially after contraception. Further more if the soul passes to the cells on contraception then when latter the embrio splits to form identical twins does the soul split? If so does it only partially split if they are Siamese twins? Further more if someone was to use my DNA to clone me would that mean my soul split and how would that be different from my sperm impregnating my partner except that it would be all my DNA insted of partially hers.
 
Exodus 20:13

"You shall not murder."

this bout made me fall outta my chair laughing.. crusades ring a bell? how about killing people in the name of god? the religous are pathetic its very good humor tho. they deny that whole section of the bible that says if your child disobeys you have every right to kill them.. they dont preach or go by that anymore yet what section are the 10 commandments in... :rolleyes:

old test?
 
The soul is immediately placed into the "clump of cells" which formed as a result of the sperm penetrating the egg. This "clump of cells" is a human "clump of cells" which will soon develop into a zygote, fetus, intant, baby, child, teen, adult, geriatric... The soul is present immediately upon impact and the first instant of conception. The soul's presence is what makes abortion such an atrocity.
Interesting - so identical twins must share a "soul".
 
Interesting - so identical twins must share a "soul".
Identical twins do not share a soul. There are two people and, therefore, two souls. When there is one person, there is one soul. When there are two people, there are two souls.

FYI: Conjoined twins also do not share a soul. An organ, maybe, but not a soul.
 
So the cells that rub off my skin everyday have a soul? A bag of blood has a soul?

There are more cells in both of them than there are initially after contraception. Further more if the soul passes to the cells on contraception then when latter the embrio splits to form identical twins does the soul split? If so does it only partially split if they are Siamese twins? Further more if someone was to use my DNA to clone me would that mean my soul split and how would that be different from my sperm impregnating my partner except that it would be all my DNA insted of partially hers.
At contraception, there is a new life beginning. That is slightly different than cells falling off your skin or a bag of blood.

Seriously, do you not see the difference?

Edit: Regarding cells and blood and organs - one will face the hurdles of definitions when dealing with cells. Cells, combined, can form a living thing such as a human, an animal, and a plant. Yet, absent life saving measures or advanced technology, cells do not "live" separate from the "being" where they were created or multiplied.

I have never heard blood or an organ described as "alive".

I assume you asked, tongue-in-cheek, if a skin cell or a bag of blood or an organ had a soul - correct?
 
At contraception, there is a new life beginning. That is slightly different than cells falling off your skin or a bag of blood.

Seriously, do you not see the difference?

So a soul, what? Splits in identical twins? What if my DNA is taken and replaces the genetic material of the egg? Does that mean my soul becomes the babies soul? What about all the misscarages that occurre in the first few weeks? Seems "God" hates children
 
No. The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God. (St. Luke 1:35)

It still says NOTHING about when the child is considered a person. It's the same BS as usual. There's absolutely no proof in the bible that an egg has a soul upon conception. It's some bs that christians made up recently, so they can find something to get offended about, stick their nose in other people's business as they have no life of their own worth mentioning, and ruin young girls self esteem in the process. I spit on you self righteous retards. Have you got any idea how rough it is on a girl to to got through with an abortion without having a brainless hateful flock of bigots spewing nonsense on them at the clinic? You should be ashamed of yourself.

You have failed to find ANY biblical proof to support your outlandish opinion. I have found evidence of the opposite if you read that link/text i posted a while back in this thread. Please just admit that you enjoy sticking your nose in other peoples' business for no reason. You lack empathy, intelligence and the heart to be worthy of the label "christian". AFAIK Jesus wasnt a heartless bigot that kicked people when they're already down. Get your own life and don't ruin other people's.
 
Identical twins do not share a soul. There are two people and, therefore, two souls. When there is one person, there is one soul. When there are two people, there are two souls.

FYI: Conjoined twins also do not share a soul. An organ, maybe, but not a soul.
But, you claim the soul enters the zygote at conception. At conception there is just one zygote... therefore, one "soul". Does the soul split into two when the zygote splits?
 
I would argue that the destruction of a soul in an instant, before it has a functional nervous system is more merciful than a prolonged destruction of one over the course of painful years as an unwanted and possibly abused and neglected child.
 
Also its not destruction of a soul. I'm sure the egg comitted no sins even though it has free will, so I'm sure the egg will go to egg heaven. Who knows where a child of some fornicating sodomist whore will go?
 
Also its not destruction of a soul. I'm sure the egg comitted no sins even though it has free will, so I'm sure the egg will go to egg heaven. Who knows where a child of some fornicating sodomist whore will go?

Eggy heven?:p is that an angle cake?:p sorry couldn't resist
 
There are more cells in both of them than there are initially after contraception. Further more if the soul passes to the cells on contraception then when latter the embrio splits to form identical twins does the soul split?

At contraception, there is a new life beginning. That is slightly different than cells falling off your skin or a bag of blood.


Yikes! :bugeye:
 
You have failed to produce any evidence of the bible saying this.
Please stop being condescending. You can't prove this. You're making it up.
Free will and intellect in an egg? Please document this. Or at least define free will and intellect. Can it do algebra? Does it have a political affiliation?
Maybe eggs should be allowed to vote... Come on dude. You're trolling right?

I don't think he's trolling, I think he's being an idiot.
 
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