911 Investigation
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so i've been asked 'alright...so what cha gonna DO about it'??
as thouth burying our head in te sand is gonna be safe!...implying that. cause the one askin hasjust been bosting that it means sweet fuck all. and we should all join the Discordian church and giggle about shit
but ewrrrrr. teres talk of a fukin WW3...! about an escaLATION of this skullduggery. can serial killers stop killin?
look hwat happened on 9/11. weren't you tramatized? please tell me how watchin that horror effected you? did you cage channels or what?
and ten te illegal war...based on what? lies? how many??....and do you know whats happened to all tose thousands of children wome and men in Iraq, with te weapons they use, which includes depleted uranium which is ecocidal and creates HYBRIDS of cancers, and genetic deformation of unborn babies---believe me itis horrific!!
AND is slowly killing hundreds of teir OWN soldiers...?
and your freedoms are going, as tis evil closes in all round. yet yu just make fun of it. will NOT give tis subject any serious consideration? what will it take to shake you up methinks.........???!!
as thouth burying our head in te sand is gonna be safe!...implying that. cause the one askin hasjust been bosting that it means sweet fuck all. and we should all join the Discordian church and giggle about shit
but ewrrrrr. teres talk of a fukin WW3...! about an escaLATION of this skullduggery. can serial killers stop killin?
look hwat happened on 9/11. weren't you tramatized? please tell me how watchin that horror effected you? did you cage channels or what?
and ten te illegal war...based on what? lies? how many??....and do you know whats happened to all tose thousands of children wome and men in Iraq, with te weapons they use, which includes depleted uranium which is ecocidal and creates HYBRIDS of cancers, and genetic deformation of unborn babies---believe me itis horrific!!
AND is slowly killing hundreds of teir OWN soldiers...?
and your freedoms are going, as tis evil closes in all round. yet yu just make fun of it. will NOT give tis subject any serious consideration? what will it take to shake you up methinks.........???!!
Mrs.Lucysnow
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You didn't read my last post did you Duendy? If you had you wouldn't focus on the Simpsons (I was referring to sciforum teenagers). And yes I was probably more affected by 9/11 simply because I am from NY and my mother, friends etc live in NY and we could see those towers and my family knows one person who worked in the building and survived and unfortunately one who didnt. I wasnt wanking away in Manchester watching League of Gentlemen while eating fish and chips murmuring 'Oh the horror'. You know why? Because we were all too busy trying to figure out where our friends were. If you had even the slightest point to make you would have responded to the whole of my post but you can't can you? People here are simply more interested in watching how your disheveled mind works (curiosity and entertainment some probably even worry) not your stupid theory.
Now go back and address the points I have brought to your attention. YOu want a debate and I am giving you one but you cannot respond because you are lost in your own hysteria, you have no interest in facts or debate or intelligence at all.
What do you do outside of ranting and raving? I talk to people all the time who have either worked in Iraq or Afghanistan, East Timor, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and other 'hardship' countries and they are all quite informed through experience and even they dont sit around raving like lunatics about what is 'horrific' because they deal with it everyday. I presently live in a developing country that had been napalmed by the US, a country where land-mine injuries and birth defects is common enough to see everyday. The problem with you is that the 'horror' exists in your mind which has been fed by bogus sites and television. If you have an interest in these topics then I suggest you go out and Do SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO STOP IT. Now why is it you don't do that?
Your information doesn't serve anyone including yourself. You're a poser. A do nothing. An observer who sits in front of the tv or computer but doesn't leave their couch long enough to acutally ENGAGE. You're a poof!
Now go back and address the points I have brought to your attention. YOu want a debate and I am giving you one but you cannot respond because you are lost in your own hysteria, you have no interest in facts or debate or intelligence at all.
What do you do outside of ranting and raving? I talk to people all the time who have either worked in Iraq or Afghanistan, East Timor, Rwanda, Sierra Leone and other 'hardship' countries and they are all quite informed through experience and even they dont sit around raving like lunatics about what is 'horrific' because they deal with it everyday. I presently live in a developing country that had been napalmed by the US, a country where land-mine injuries and birth defects is common enough to see everyday. The problem with you is that the 'horror' exists in your mind which has been fed by bogus sites and television. If you have an interest in these topics then I suggest you go out and Do SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO STOP IT. Now why is it you don't do that?
Your information doesn't serve anyone including yourself. You're a poser. A do nothing. An observer who sits in front of the tv or computer but doesn't leave their couch long enough to acutally ENGAGE. You're a poof!
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ellion said:
Ah, duendy is dragging this one back up again eh? I already dealt with this one on another 9/11 thread. For one, the professor cited, Jones, is a physicist, not a structural engineer. his colleagues who teach structural engineering at the same University do not agree with his conclusions.
The thermite reaction produces large lumps of pig iron and aluminium oxide as products.
(see Quicktime video of thermite reaction here; http://www.ilpi.com/genchem/demo/thermite/index.html#demo )
Jones has not recovered any of either to lend credibility to his theory. In fact, all Jones has is a theory. Thermite is a very active reaction too, anyone who has seen it in school science lessons knows that it produces lots of sparks. We don't have sparking fire in _any_ video taken on 9/11. Also, if Jones claims that suplhur was also an ingredient, people would have been able to smell it's burning. Do we have any reports of people smelling sulphur? Thermite isn't a very energy dense explosive by modern standards either. So hard to conceal. Semtex, C4, or their equivalent offer a more energy dense explosion, so why would someone be baroque and use thermite?
Jones thinks that the structure of the WTC could not be brought down by fire alone. This is completely fallacious. Tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel were set alight, with good ventilation. In tunnel fires, with only a few hundred gallons of fuel from a few vehicles, and restricted air supply, the concrete and steel structures have been compromised by conflagration. Jones needs to do more research on similar disasters before drawing conclusions. He needs some evidence before publicising his theory as anything more than just a theory, too.
duendy said:
Nice.
Some more personal insults/attacks.
i thought you said duendy in your reply to jax0509 that you did not want to flame anyone yet the first thing you do is flame people. the first sign of someone dis-agreeing with your ideas is greated by your usual calm manner
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phlogistician said:
if yo botered to even LOO at tat thread yo see evidence IS provided. but you just are a one man band propaganda machine at phlo inc.
and you can see how most of the jet fuel explodes OUTSide building blind bat!
you are impossible. i swear your workin fo them....seriously.
No duendy, I've read Jones' paper, and NOWHERE does he cite evidence, it's all just THEORY. People referencing and discussing Jones' paper does not make it any more credible, do you not understand that?
What is missing;
1, Pig Iron.
2, Aluminium Oxide.
3, Sparks
4, Sulphurous smell (other than Bullshit, that is)
5, A reason for using thermite, and not a compact modern explosive.
6, An explanation of why some conspiracy theorists say they heard explosions, when the thermite reaction is incendiary, and NOT explosive! (were there C4 charges AND Thermite, duendy?)
So, when you can track down these missing pieces of evidence, feel free to re-open the thermite case. Until then, consider it debunked!
What is missing;
1, Pig Iron.
2, Aluminium Oxide.
3, Sparks
4, Sulphurous smell (other than Bullshit, that is)
5, A reason for using thermite, and not a compact modern explosive.
6, An explanation of why some conspiracy theorists say they heard explosions, when the thermite reaction is incendiary, and NOT explosive! (were there C4 charges AND Thermite, duendy?)
So, when you can track down these missing pieces of evidence, feel free to re-open the thermite case. Until then, consider it debunked!
phlogistician said:
YOURdebunked mo like.
now you did actually make a good point. where you say that termite doesn't explode....hmmmmmmmm. i did fnd one site that says it can when grinded down to a very fine powder.
but the fact is people did hear explosions, so MAYBE there wereothe types of bombs included and/or termite was prticular ground down.
to remind you'll:
Professor Jones said while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, th combination osthermite and sifur slices throug steel like a knife trough butter"...!
'Jones points to a video which shos bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before it collapsed.
Government investigators claimed that this was aluminium from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminium is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow.
....Jnes told Deseret News hat sulfur traces were found at ground zero, thus indictating thermite was combined wit sulfur to makeit burn EVEN HOTTER than te normal 2500degrees celsius.........
Joens stated that termite was a "CLEVER" choice because its ingredients, aluminium and iron oxide ...couldn't be traced back to their manufacturers.
site provides a video showing how thermite can completely melt metal of a car engine, even WITHOUT sulphur
...anothe video shows how hot molten metal was still found at WTC site SIX WEEKS after the attack...
...Jnes cites video pictures showing whie ash rising from south tower near the driping liquefied metal. When thermite burns...it relaeses aluminium-oxide ash. the presence of both YELLOWWHITE MOLTEN IRON and aluminium oxide ash are signature characteristics of a thermite reaction" he siad
CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN discusses evidence of thrmite used to sever the twin towers steel SUPPORT COLLUMNS [see pic]--showing it was cut with thermite--a substantial amount of hardened molten metal seen on inside and outside of box column--precisely what one would EXPECT to find on a collumn cut wit termite, he said
....WHITE FLAMES consistent with how thermite reacts producin molten iron and aluminium oxide--also visible in site photograph. 81st floor south tower
....USGS spectroscopy lab produced images which showed dense termal spots days and weeks after attack
...The What Really Happened website created a page giving MORE PROOF that thermite was used and how it runs parallel wit eyewitnessess reports of explosions andpieces being sheered of the towers---also video of white smoke (pictured) at the base of the tower moments beforeits collapse. WHITE SMOKE also rose from wreckage of owers
QUESTION: whay was the temperature at the core of 'the pile' 500 degrees F hotter than the maximum burning temprature of jet fuel a full SEVEN DAYS after the collapses? There were no infernos in either of the twin towers before they collapsed so what caused the hotspots deep in te wreckage?
What caused the steel to melt?
How did it stay molten for weeks after the collapses?
How did fires in the WTC wrecakage manage to burn for THREE MONTHS?
THERMITE povides a plausible answer.
A thermite reaction generates extraordinarily high tempratures (>2500degrees C) and provides a CREDIBLE explanation fro te fires, hot spots and MOLTEN STEEL (a BY PRODUCT of the thermite reaction) found in the collapsed buildings--they were a result of thermite detonations in te buildings' basements on 9/11'
How did it stay molten for weeks after the collapses?
How did fires in the WTC wrecakage manage to burn for THREE MONTHS?
THERMITE povides a plausible answer.
A thermite reaction generates extraordinarily high tempratures (>2500degrees C) and provides a CREDIBLE explanation fro te fires, hot spots and MOLTEN STEEL (a BY PRODUCT of the thermite reaction) found in the collapsed buildings--they were a result of thermite detonations in te buildings' basements on 9/11'
On a sidenote, after 9/11 one of the planes that was supposed to crash into the Pentagon (I think) crashed. It was suggested that it happened because a fight between passengers and terrorists took place. I never saw or read anything about that anymore after that. Is it by now known what happened in that plane?
They made a movie on it even.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Yes yes I hate and you're the benevolent serious thinker. A humanist, lover of nature clearing the world of evil from her keyboard and unraveling the complexities of world events with her extraordinary erudition. 
...hey where did you ever get the idea I was homophobic? :bugeye:
You project too much sunshine. For someone so full of love and joy you sure seem venomous. Now remember FIVE TONS OF FLAX!
She probably thinks she's rikki tikki tavi:
"This is the story of the great war that Rikki-tikki-tavi fought single-handed, through the bath-rooms of the big bungalow in Segowlee cantonment. Darzee, the Tailorbird, helped him, and Chuchundra, the musk-rat, who never comes out into the middle of the floor, but always creeps round by the wall, gave him advice, but Rikki-tikki did the real fighting. He was a mongoose, rather like a little cat in his fur and his tail, but quite like a weasel in his head and his habits. His eyes and the end of his restless nose were pink. He could scratch himself anywhere he pleased with any leg, front or back, that he chose to use. He could fluff up his tail till it looked like a bottle brush, and his war cry as he scuttled through the long grass was: "Rikk-tikk-tikki-tikki-tchk!"
...hey where did you ever get the idea I was homophobic? :bugeye:
You project too much sunshine. For someone so full of love and joy you sure seem venomous. Now remember FIVE TONS OF FLAX!
She probably thinks she's rikki tikki tavi:
"This is the story of the great war that Rikki-tikki-tavi fought single-handed, through the bath-rooms of the big bungalow in Segowlee cantonment. Darzee, the Tailorbird, helped him, and Chuchundra, the musk-rat, who never comes out into the middle of the floor, but always creeps round by the wall, gave him advice, but Rikki-tikki did the real fighting. He was a mongoose, rather like a little cat in his fur and his tail, but quite like a weasel in his head and his habits. His eyes and the end of his restless nose were pink. He could scratch himself anywhere he pleased with any leg, front or back, that he chose to use. He could fluff up his tail till it looked like a bottle brush, and his war cry as he scuttled through the long grass was: "Rikk-tikk-tikki-tikki-tchk!"
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this is why the children are soooo smart :bugeye:
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Last week: chocolate is killing ya fat ass
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See wah i sayin?
Dwendy???
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Duendy, if there were still fires burning weeks after the event, that has NOTHING to do with Thermite, as Thermite is FAST conflagration, and would burn out in seconds, not WEEKS. Thermite does not explode either, it is fast CONFLAGRATION, not EXPLOSION. But prolonged exposure to jet fuel, and the usual smouldering would account for it. You still have no explained the 'explosions' heard. I repeat, Thermite is an incendiary, not an explosive.
I don't care if Jones keep saying jet fuel is not enough to weaken the structure, because any fire, even without jet fuel, is enough! (and before you question this, I had to do a basic firefighting course as part of a previous job, because of the environment I worked in, so go do similar before questioning, eh?)
Here's a report from a structural engineer. Not that you will trust it, but anyway;
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
Oh, and there IS NO EVIDENCE to support the Thermite theory, duendy. Jones does not list ANY in his paper. Go read his paper. Now what has been written about his paper, but HIS paper. You will see he offers NO EVIDENCE.
Duendy, Kerosene burns at 2000 DegC+. Nearly as hot as the Thermite reaction and there were tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Don't you think people would have noticed a similar volume of Thermite mixture strapped to the supporting structures of the WTC ;-)
I don't care if Jones keep saying jet fuel is not enough to weaken the structure, because any fire, even without jet fuel, is enough! (and before you question this, I had to do a basic firefighting course as part of a previous job, because of the environment I worked in, so go do similar before questioning, eh?)
Here's a report from a structural engineer. Not that you will trust it, but anyway;
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
Oh, and there IS NO EVIDENCE to support the Thermite theory, duendy. Jones does not list ANY in his paper. Go read his paper. Now what has been written about his paper, but HIS paper. You will see he offers NO EVIDENCE.
Duendy, Kerosene burns at 2000 DegC+. Nearly as hot as the Thermite reaction and there were tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Don't you think people would have noticed a similar volume of Thermite mixture strapped to the supporting structures of the WTC ;-)
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