9/11 was an inside job
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Look up the phrase D NOTICE or DA NOTICE.
Also look up OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD.
The ACARS DATA is not a THEORY. 19 hijackers onboard planes crashing into buildings is a THEORY.
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For the record
GeoffP and Billvon are on IGNORE simply because they have indicated that they refuse to read what I type or follow links. What's the point of me saying anything to them? So I refuse to read what they type. THAT'S FAIR. Up to now they've had nothing to say anyway beyond brainless ad hominem responses, whose only effect is that it emboldens me because it indicates that they have run out of reasoned argument. Not forgetting of course is that they do perform a function in making this thread popular by constantly putting this thread to the top of the NEW POSTS list. It's not me doing it, it's them.
Stryder is NOT on IGNORE ------ YET! We need to see if Stryder would rather discuss me or the evidence.
And the spinning continues.......
Hold on while I check outside.......
Nup, no full Moon tonight. :shrug:
roscoe
Please add my name to your ignore list. You are a fraud and a troll, nothing you post is worth reading(I'll never get the time I wasted on your drivel)it's non-sense. You concentrate on paperwork and eyewitnesses when the physical evidence makes all that moot. It was a 757 that hit the Pentagon, I showed you the pieces when you said there were none. You were lying. In fact everything you post is lies and distortion. I note that you ran away rather than admit I showed you your lying or even addressing it. Typical "Troother" behavior. So I ask your own question, What is the point of your lying posts, none of us believe a single thing you say.
Grumpy
Please add my name to your ignore list. You are a fraud and a troll, nothing you post is worth reading(I'll never get the time I wasted on your drivel)it's non-sense. You concentrate on paperwork and eyewitnesses when the physical evidence makes all that moot. It was a 757 that hit the Pentagon, I showed you the pieces when you said there were none. You were lying. In fact everything you post is lies and distortion. I note that you ran away rather than admit I showed you your lying or even addressing it. Typical "Troother" behavior. So I ask your own question, What is the point of your lying posts, none of us believe a single thing you say.
Grumpy
roscoe
Please add my name to your ignore list. You are a fraud and a troll, nothing you post is worth reading(I'll never get the time I wasted on your drivel)it's non-sense. You concentrate on paperwork and eyewitnesses when the physical evidence makes all that moot. It was a 757 that hit the Pentagon, I showed you the pieces when you said there were none. You were lying. In fact everything you post is lies and distortion. I note that you ran away rather than admit I showed you your lying or even addressing it. Typical "Troother" behavior. So I ask your own question, What is the point of your lying posts, none of us believe a single thing you say.
Grumpy
You showed pieces one of which was definitely removed from the Pentagon and bodies that had NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN INSIDE THE PENTAGON. In a court of law they would have been dismissed immediately - No trial of evidence.
LISTEN UP.
YOU HAVE NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR THEORY.
YOU ARE ALL BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.
YOUR ONLY CRUTCH IS THAT THE GOV'MINT TOLD YOU AND YOU CANNOT HANDLE IT IF THAT IS NOT TRUE. HENCE YOU ATTACKING ME RATHER THAN CONCENTRATING ON OFFERING REBUTTAL EVIDENCE.
YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.
roscoe,
A long while back in this thread, you posted a picture of the hole in the front of the Pentagon and asked where the plane was.
I told you that most of the plane was inside the building (or through it and out the other side). Bear in mind that this was a high-speed airline crash.
Just now, I browse through the thread and I see, many posts further on, that you are still asking "where's the plane?" about the same picture.
It's almost like you just won't consider any viewpoint that doesn't support your silly conspiracy theory. It's like such points go in one ear and out the other.
Here's an idea: go and dig up some images from where the plane/missile/whatever exited the Pentagon again. Do you have any of those?
A long while back in this thread, you posted a picture of the hole in the front of the Pentagon and asked where the plane was.
I told you that most of the plane was inside the building (or through it and out the other side). Bear in mind that this was a high-speed airline crash.
Just now, I browse through the thread and I see, many posts further on, that you are still asking "where's the plane?" about the same picture.
It's almost like you just won't consider any viewpoint that doesn't support your silly conspiracy theory. It's like such points go in one ear and out the other.
Here's an idea: go and dig up some images from where the plane/missile/whatever exited the Pentagon again. Do you have any of those?
No, he won't find any because the plane didn't make it through the last ring. In fact, if memory serves, it never got through the last two rings.
roscoe
You mean this photo?
So you have no clue what the letters and numbers(let alone words)at the bottom of this photo mean? These are photos entered into Federal Court as evidence. It was identified by DNA analysis as a passenger of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon and is a forensic photo of that body's removal from the Pentagon, probably from the seat pan next to the body bag(see the seat belt? Office chairs don't have seat belts). You asked for and I provided positive forensic proof(as proof in a court of law)that that aircraft hit that building with those people in it. Done. The picture of pieces of the landing gear found inside the Pentagon taken after the LG was removed(and mounted as a court exhibit)was posted to show how violent that impact was to forged steel and to show how stupid it would be to expect to find intact seats from the same aircraft when they were made of lightweight aluminum tubing and sheet(as you were ranting about at the time). Every time you get exactly what you are ranting about...zoom, off you go for a while to hide from your total crapitude and failure
"Duh, where's the plane?"
Enough of this idiocy! Stop lying and face the fact that you are simply wrong, have been wrong for years and that you will never get the time back that you have wasted on this crap.
Grumpy
You mean this photo?
So you have no clue what the letters and numbers(let alone words)at the bottom of this photo mean? These are photos entered into Federal Court as evidence. It was identified by DNA analysis as a passenger of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon and is a forensic photo of that body's removal from the Pentagon, probably from the seat pan next to the body bag(see the seat belt? Office chairs don't have seat belts). You asked for and I provided positive forensic proof(as proof in a court of law)that that aircraft hit that building with those people in it. Done. The picture of pieces of the landing gear found inside the Pentagon taken after the LG was removed(and mounted as a court exhibit)was posted to show how violent that impact was to forged steel and to show how stupid it would be to expect to find intact seats from the same aircraft when they were made of lightweight aluminum tubing and sheet(as you were ranting about at the time). Every time you get exactly what you are ranting about...zoom, off you go for a while to hide from your total crapitude and failure
"Duh, where's the plane?"
Enough of this idiocy! Stop lying and face the fact that you are simply wrong, have been wrong for years and that you will never get the time back that you have wasted on this crap.
Grumpy
It penetrated a couple of layers of the building, though, didn't it? I vaguely recall shots of plane debris in one of the inner courtyards between rings of the building.
Oh the irony. This useless exhibit of truthing, dismisses photographs, dna, police reports, witness testimony, evidence like light poles breaking, bits of plane, then has the audacity to claim it wasn't a plane with not one scrap of evidence to support the ridiculous claim that it was a missile. Meanwhile, the plane and passengers, flight crew, tracking, cleaning and food loading crews are all in on this moronic claim.
What is so hard about, just for non moronic arguments sake, rigging the plane with nerve gas and remote control flying it into the pentagon. Two people could have done that, as opposed to what? Hundreds, then hoping nobody notices a missile?
Just go and get a clue, and a life!
If you want to discuss the evidence, then you need to dig a lot deeper. You're obsessed with an event, what you don't consider however is the "build up", that's where evidence would require collecting.
After all you don't query why there was hijackers. The established reasoning is that Bin Laden who initially ran a "mercenary training camp" sent them to hit at the corporately corrupt west and catalyse a "Jihad" (Using the event for religious symbology and to express weakness in his opposition).
You don't take into consideration the theatre of operations of the Middle East and the number of wars that have been fought there by people external to the area. The fact that it's borders were created at the end of the second world war, That holocaust surviving Jews were "granted their own land" (by what higher power?), that "colonisation" had been attempted in some areas, that parts of the Middle East fought with each other just as much as they fought both Russian's and American's during the Cold War "Puppet Theatre". Then there is the exploitation of resources as well as the people (in regards to drug trafficking)
That's a lot of history to cause generations of hardened angry people, which resulted in them having Dictators as leaders who use wrecklessly violent methods to keep their own people from rioting. (That's what's called "escalation", since people are made to be as volatile as possible)
Bin Laden's first debut as a Terrorist was after he didn't close a deal with the Saudi's. (The hypothesis was he thought his mercenary army and ties with Taliban would allow him to create a Middle Eastern Homeland Security, where by they would keep everything in the Middle East, however the US gained favour with the Saudi's (and got a number of security contracts), which caused him to resent the Saudi's and the Americans. This caused him to attack both, such as the Airbase attack and the attack on tourists in Egypt.)
What should be considered is that the US originally classed Bin Laden an "Asset" (Possibly for the use as a Mercenary group for any localised deployments due to their knowledge of the spread of the land)
"Assets" tend to have "Handlers" and they also tend to fall under a clause where-by if they become "turned" towards a governments objectives, they are "liquidated" (Which would explain the eventual kill order).
What isn't considered is to what actual depth, as an asset he was actually handled. It was known he was extremely paranoid about technology and bugging and there might be a good reason depending on what was attempted in regards to handling him. It might not of even been down to the US, there might of been other countries at play.
The piece above is to express something that conspiracy theorists miss. What if Bin Laden did command a bunch of his men to carry out the attack? What if they did do it exactly how the official reports suggest without any discrepancies? However where there would of been a "cover-up" or deception, would be as to whether Bin Laden was still being used as an "Asset" with the sort of technique mentioned above?
After all the Kill Order would negate questioning him (no truth being found out). He would of technically known where he was at all times by his "handler" to continue use him. If they handler had "Injected" himself into the man hunt, he would know if any leads pointed to his asset and would of moved him when necessary (by Make him become self-paranoid or actually told him), until the game plan had been played out.
I by no means condone what Bin Laden did or claim him to be some Victim, since by definition he was a Mercenary turned vengeance ridden to the point of becoming a Terrorist.
What this does however interject is that all the theories about if the planes were remotely controlled, missiles used or if the WTC buildings were rigged for explosives are actually moot points. If you going to have a conspiracy, at least start at the beginning.
Actually, it's annoyance. I asked you before to read my links. In fact, I went so far as to demand it, and refused to read any more of yours until you did. Instead of just doing the fair thing, you put me on ignore. (I know you'll never read this post, of course, since you did do as you said you were going to, didn't you?) So it seems kind of like you're the coward here. Why is that?
And by the way, bumping this link up, for your information, does no good to you. It'll be cited only once as unread for members, and those have mostly made up their minds already. You are accomplishing nothing, seemingly. It does make a mockery of your position, though, and since all you're doing is Google blasting (thanks billvon) it makes Trooferism look increasingly desperate, probably because it is, apparently.
I wonder - if I went on your forums, how long would it be until I was unfairly banned? Hmm. Questions, questions.
This is sort of lies and propaganda all around. This is, admittedly, against site rules. I reviewed several of his items - all of which failed to substantiate his claims - and when I demanded he review one of mine, he put me on ignore. I'm getting to the point of lodging a complaint here. It it were fair discussion, that would be one thing.
Who's running, I wonder? It's a shame he can't read this. Ah well.
Ok, that was an admittedly short road.
Still, I'm making a complaint against roscoe here - spamming, propaganda, avoidance, etc. I think this is justified. If we could have stuck to the actual subject, fine and well. There is room to discuss this thing, yes, even after all this time. But if one side is just going to Google blast and be intellectually dishonest, it's degrading to the forum. Enough already. A slap on the wrist and maybe there'll be normalcy.
Still, I'm making a complaint against roscoe here - spamming, propaganda, avoidance, etc. I think this is justified. If we could have stuck to the actual subject, fine and well. There is room to discuss this thing, yes, even after all this time. But if one side is just going to Google blast and be intellectually dishonest, it's degrading to the forum. Enough already. A slap on the wrist and maybe there'll be normalcy.
THIS IS LIKE A SICKNESS WITH YOU BCTs. I have to keep this short and to the point because you people are like children.
LET'S LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD.
"911 was an inside job." - PLEASE NOTE THE PHRASE "INSIDE JOB"
Let's take this.
images 29 & 30 show unidentified people PLANTING EVIDENCE. Either that or they are interfering with a crime scene - a criminal offense. Please tell me why these people (dressed in suits and ties) have a need to pick up this debris whilst the rescue phase is still going on.
1) American Airlines flight 77 NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. IT NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. IT NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. - HAVE YOU GOT IT NOW? See message #618
2) The Flight Data Recorder released by the NTSB shows data that is INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY. It is also inconsistent with ALL eye witness reports. The NTSB (the people who investigate air crashes) issued through a freedom of Information request that they never investigated this crash. Neither the Black box nor the Data header has ANY SERIAL NUMBER on it and thus can have come from anywhere. The exit gate data information from the INS (Inertial Navigation System) shows an offset of 300 meters from the push out gate at Newark International. The pilots would have needed to set this before take off otherwise their entire navigation system would be out and on a long flight (Newark to Los Angeles) this would be serious. There's more a lot more.
In short THE BLACK BOX DATA IS FAKE.
3) The reason you get the Nickname BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS is entirely because of Senator Ted Olson. His wife was Barbara Olson, a former Fox News presenter. She was ALLEGEDLY on American Airlines Flight 77 and WE ARE TOLD that she left a message on the answer phone of Ted Olson saying that they had been hijacked and that they were forced to the back of the plane with Arabs carrying BOX CUTTERS. PROBLEM - In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial an FBI agent stated under oath that Barbara Olson's phone did indeed connect during the so-called hijack period - FOR ZERO SECONDS - I SAY AGAIN FOR ZERO SECONDS - FOR ZERO SECONDS (the cell phone data was shown in court). The narrative was then switched to "oh she used an airphone" - PROBLEM - N644AA (Flight 77) WAS NEVER FITTED WITH AIRPHONES.
The BOXCUTTER STORY is a BAREFACED LIE.
Incidentally Barbara Olson had incurred the wrath of Hilary Chilton - Look it up.
4) A plane landed at Reagan international less than two minutes after the Pentagon explosion. Reagan Int'l and the Pentagon are about two minutes flying from each other. Reagan Int'l was evacuated in a hurry (hundreds of witnesses) even though neither the Pentagon nor the White House had been evacuated. This plane was allowed into Government controlled airspace even though two planes had already crashed into the twin towers in New York. This area has most of the country's Government buildings and yet it was allowed into this airspace. This plane was red and white like an American Airlines colors and the tail number was N644AW whereas the tail number of Flight 77 was N644AA. Both planes were owned by Wilmington Trust - look up Wilmington Trust. This was Flight 098 and it took off from Ohio, which was precisely the place where the Ident for American Airlines flight 77 transponder disappeared only to reappear again. The lawn outside the Pentagon was photographed by a naval serviceman who happened to be passing, it shows no debris. The Flight 93 scare then caused the Pentagon to be evacuated, why? It had already been hit. After this, debris had appeared on the lawn.
5) The data from American Airlines has not been released, but the ACARS data from United Airlines has been released. It shows both the United Airlines flights still airborne AFTER they had supposedly crashed. - This is SLAM DUNK evidence that the aircraft were switched. see Operation Northwoods. Incidently look at the Stock Exchange PUT OPTIONS for American Airlines and United Airlines prior to 911 as compared with other airlines. Someone had prior knowledge of the attacks.
Now all of this is evidence (I presume you know the difference between Proof and evidence) to be placed in a NEW INQUIRY. You BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS on the other hand have not one shred of evidence beyond what the Government has told you (remember that this thread is entitled 911 was an inside job). And the ONLY investigation so far into the events have been admitted by the chairman of the Committee as QUOTE " SET UP TO FAIL " UNQUOTE.
LET'S LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD.
"911 was an inside job." - PLEASE NOTE THE PHRASE "INSIDE JOB"
Let's take this.
images 29 & 30 show unidentified people PLANTING EVIDENCE. Either that or they are interfering with a crime scene - a criminal offense. Please tell me why these people (dressed in suits and ties) have a need to pick up this debris whilst the rescue phase is still going on.
1) American Airlines flight 77 NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. IT NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. IT NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY. - HAVE YOU GOT IT NOW? See message #618
2) The Flight Data Recorder released by the NTSB shows data that is INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY. It is also inconsistent with ALL eye witness reports. The NTSB (the people who investigate air crashes) issued through a freedom of Information request that they never investigated this crash. Neither the Black box nor the Data header has ANY SERIAL NUMBER on it and thus can have come from anywhere. The exit gate data information from the INS (Inertial Navigation System) shows an offset of 300 meters from the push out gate at Newark International. The pilots would have needed to set this before take off otherwise their entire navigation system would be out and on a long flight (Newark to Los Angeles) this would be serious. There's more a lot more.
In short THE BLACK BOX DATA IS FAKE.
3) The reason you get the Nickname BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS is entirely because of Senator Ted Olson. His wife was Barbara Olson, a former Fox News presenter. She was ALLEGEDLY on American Airlines Flight 77 and WE ARE TOLD that she left a message on the answer phone of Ted Olson saying that they had been hijacked and that they were forced to the back of the plane with Arabs carrying BOX CUTTERS. PROBLEM - In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial an FBI agent stated under oath that Barbara Olson's phone did indeed connect during the so-called hijack period - FOR ZERO SECONDS - I SAY AGAIN FOR ZERO SECONDS - FOR ZERO SECONDS (the cell phone data was shown in court). The narrative was then switched to "oh she used an airphone" - PROBLEM - N644AA (Flight 77) WAS NEVER FITTED WITH AIRPHONES.
The BOXCUTTER STORY is a BAREFACED LIE.
Incidentally Barbara Olson had incurred the wrath of Hilary Chilton - Look it up.
4) A plane landed at Reagan international less than two minutes after the Pentagon explosion. Reagan Int'l and the Pentagon are about two minutes flying from each other. Reagan Int'l was evacuated in a hurry (hundreds of witnesses) even though neither the Pentagon nor the White House had been evacuated. This plane was allowed into Government controlled airspace even though two planes had already crashed into the twin towers in New York. This area has most of the country's Government buildings and yet it was allowed into this airspace. This plane was red and white like an American Airlines colors and the tail number was N644AW whereas the tail number of Flight 77 was N644AA. Both planes were owned by Wilmington Trust - look up Wilmington Trust. This was Flight 098 and it took off from Ohio, which was precisely the place where the Ident for American Airlines flight 77 transponder disappeared only to reappear again. The lawn outside the Pentagon was photographed by a naval serviceman who happened to be passing, it shows no debris. The Flight 93 scare then caused the Pentagon to be evacuated, why? It had already been hit. After this, debris had appeared on the lawn.
5) The data from American Airlines has not been released, but the ACARS data from United Airlines has been released. It shows both the United Airlines flights still airborne AFTER they had supposedly crashed. - This is SLAM DUNK evidence that the aircraft were switched. see Operation Northwoods. Incidently look at the Stock Exchange PUT OPTIONS for American Airlines and United Airlines prior to 911 as compared with other airlines. Someone had prior knowledge of the attacks.
Now all of this is evidence (I presume you know the difference between Proof and evidence) to be placed in a NEW INQUIRY. You BOXCUTTER CONSPIRACY THEORISTS on the other hand have not one shred of evidence beyond what the Government has told you (remember that this thread is entitled 911 was an inside job). And the ONLY investigation so far into the events have been admitted by the chairman of the Committee as QUOTE " SET UP TO FAIL " UNQUOTE.
An entire two screens of posting and no nanothermite? More nanothermite magic explosives please! And please use all caps when you talk about it, otherwise you won't seem authoritative enough.
Sept. 10, 2001 - Put options totaling 4,516 are purchased on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: Herzliyya Institute]
Sept. 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar trading patterns to those experienced by United and American. The put option purchases on both airlines were 600 percent above normal. This at a time when Reuters (Sept. 10) issues a business report stating, "Airline stocks may be poised to take off."
Sept. 6-10, 2001 - Highly abnormal levels of put options are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re(insurance) which owns 25 percent of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these companies are directly impacted by the Sept. 11 attacks. [Source: ICT, above; FTW, Oct. 18, 2001,
Definition of a PUT OPTION
Sept. 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar trading patterns to those experienced by United and American. The put option purchases on both airlines were 600 percent above normal. This at a time when Reuters (Sept. 10) issues a business report stating, "Airline stocks may be poised to take off."
Sept. 6-10, 2001 - Highly abnormal levels of put options are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re(insurance) which owns 25 percent of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these companies are directly impacted by the Sept. 11 attacks. [Source: ICT, above; FTW, Oct. 18, 2001,
Definition of a PUT OPTION
May 2001 - Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers who are starving since the destruction of their opium crop in January on orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001]
June 8, 2001 - Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) publishes a story headlined, "Central Asia: Charges Link Russian Military to Drug Trade." According to the article, figures for 1999 published in a report by the United Nations Drug Control Program (UNDCP) revealed that 80 percent of the heroin consumed in Western Europe originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The UNDCP report also revealed half of the drugs in that 80 percent traveled through Central Asia. A study by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published in March 2000 said Russian soldiers headquartered in Tajikistan were suspected of helping drug traffickers by providing them with transportation facilities. This was confirmed by a Russian intelligence officer who told the Moscow News weekly, "You can come to an arrangement [with custom officials] so that the search of military transport planes remains purely formal. The same goes for train convoys carrying military cargo [to Russia from Tajikistan]."
MOHAMMAD ATTA - The only listed "hijacker" who could actually fly a plane - Was a drug runner in Florida. He was a CIA asset A PATSY
New York Newsday January 24, 2002:
Mohamed Atta and two associates tried to get jobs with Lufthansa Airlines… on Feb. 15, 2001, according to "Netzwerke des Terrors (Networks of Terror)," a book published last month by Juergen Roth, one of Germany's top investigative reporters… Atta did not know that Lufthansa's personnel division had access to law enforcement files that indicated he had once been under investigation for petty drug crimes and falsifying phone cards while a student at the Technical University at Hamburg-Harburg in 1995, the book reports, citing federal law enforcement sources. Atta didn't get the job.
NY Newsday
Mail on Sunday (UK) September 23, 2001:
The FBI is attempting to unravel the minds of the terrorists. One of the key witnesses they will be using is a British woman who learned to fly alongside Atta and fellow hijacker Marwan al-Shehhi at Huffman Aviation International Flight School in Venice, Florida. Anne Greaves, 56, an osteopath and former nurse… "I was told that Atta was a Prince from an Arab royal family and al-Shehhi was his bodyguard...I didn't think terrorist, I thought they were perhaps learning to fly to run drugs... There were so many tell-tale signs…"...
"These guys were different," said a top FBI man on the Florida section of the manhunt. "They lived the good life... then blew it up in our face."
Mail on Sunday
The Daily Telegraph (London) September 25, 2001:
"There was no pleasure, no enthusiasm. I thought there was an ulterior motive, maybe drug smuggling, although I never even considered terrorism." [said] Mrs Greaves, 56, a retired nurse from Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, is helping the FBI to put together a psychological profile of the attackers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/25/nfly25.xml
The Guardian (London) July 5, 2002:
Ann Greaves… watched the TV pictures of the smoking building and said to her husband: "My God, I hope this has nothing to do with those two Arabs at Huffman Aviation!" A feisty grandmother, Greaves had just fulfilled a lifelong ambition by learning to fly at the training school in Florida... As she spoke, a second plane smashed into the south tower… Greaves had been suspicious of Atta and his friend from the moment she met them… "I couldn't help but be suspicious as to why he was there," says Greaves... She decided at the time that Atta was probably a drug runner. Her suspicions were not shared by the male staff at Huffman. "We had no obligations to do a background check on them," says Rudi Dekkers, the Dutch owner of the flying school... but did not question further.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,749722,00.html
ATTA WAS NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM DESTINED FOR PARADISE. He used drugs and used prostitutes and dated strippers.
He was an excellent flyer and worked for some time running drugs into Florida. He was a CIA asset.
June 8, 2001 - Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) publishes a story headlined, "Central Asia: Charges Link Russian Military to Drug Trade." According to the article, figures for 1999 published in a report by the United Nations Drug Control Program (UNDCP) revealed that 80 percent of the heroin consumed in Western Europe originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The UNDCP report also revealed half of the drugs in that 80 percent traveled through Central Asia. A study by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published in March 2000 said Russian soldiers headquartered in Tajikistan were suspected of helping drug traffickers by providing them with transportation facilities. This was confirmed by a Russian intelligence officer who told the Moscow News weekly, "You can come to an arrangement [with custom officials] so that the search of military transport planes remains purely formal. The same goes for train convoys carrying military cargo [to Russia from Tajikistan]."
MOHAMMAD ATTA - The only listed "hijacker" who could actually fly a plane - Was a drug runner in Florida. He was a CIA asset A PATSY
New York Newsday January 24, 2002:
Mohamed Atta and two associates tried to get jobs with Lufthansa Airlines… on Feb. 15, 2001, according to "Netzwerke des Terrors (Networks of Terror)," a book published last month by Juergen Roth, one of Germany's top investigative reporters… Atta did not know that Lufthansa's personnel division had access to law enforcement files that indicated he had once been under investigation for petty drug crimes and falsifying phone cards while a student at the Technical University at Hamburg-Harburg in 1995, the book reports, citing federal law enforcement sources. Atta didn't get the job.
NY Newsday
Mail on Sunday (UK) September 23, 2001:
The FBI is attempting to unravel the minds of the terrorists. One of the key witnesses they will be using is a British woman who learned to fly alongside Atta and fellow hijacker Marwan al-Shehhi at Huffman Aviation International Flight School in Venice, Florida. Anne Greaves, 56, an osteopath and former nurse… "I was told that Atta was a Prince from an Arab royal family and al-Shehhi was his bodyguard...I didn't think terrorist, I thought they were perhaps learning to fly to run drugs... There were so many tell-tale signs…"...
"These guys were different," said a top FBI man on the Florida section of the manhunt. "They lived the good life... then blew it up in our face."
Mail on Sunday
The Daily Telegraph (London) September 25, 2001:
"There was no pleasure, no enthusiasm. I thought there was an ulterior motive, maybe drug smuggling, although I never even considered terrorism." [said] Mrs Greaves, 56, a retired nurse from Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, is helping the FBI to put together a psychological profile of the attackers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/25/nfly25.xml
The Guardian (London) July 5, 2002:
Ann Greaves… watched the TV pictures of the smoking building and said to her husband: "My God, I hope this has nothing to do with those two Arabs at Huffman Aviation!" A feisty grandmother, Greaves had just fulfilled a lifelong ambition by learning to fly at the training school in Florida... As she spoke, a second plane smashed into the south tower… Greaves had been suspicious of Atta and his friend from the moment she met them… "I couldn't help but be suspicious as to why he was there," says Greaves... She decided at the time that Atta was probably a drug runner. Her suspicions were not shared by the male staff at Huffman. "We had no obligations to do a background check on them," says Rudi Dekkers, the Dutch owner of the flying school... but did not question further.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,749722,00.html
ATTA WAS NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM DESTINED FOR PARADISE. He used drugs and used prostitutes and dated strippers.
He was an excellent flyer and worked for some time running drugs into Florida. He was a CIA asset.
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