9/11 was an inside job

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1:06:40 Cop indicates different light poles that were in fact hit by plane. Debates location of struck light poles.
 
1:09:00 Video now claims witnesses were "conditioned" to think that the plane hit, and that the plane couldn't have hit the building. Because low-flying 757s are notably nondescript and unremarkable. Wow.

Here's an interesting and inconvenient question: so if the plan was to make people think an aircraft hit the Pentagon, why did the Zionists or whoever fly the plane just a bit over the Pentagon while instead just flying it away, particularly if they'd already crashed two planes into the Twin Towers? See, my thinking is this: if you're already crashing two planes into things, why not just, you know.... crash a third one into the Pentagon? They couldn't afford it? Remote controls all broke? Was it just a kind of superspy 'dick move', just because they could?
 
And here's the point where Geoff turns the vid off: when the assclown narrating it considers "it is feasible to hypothesize to hypothesize" that explosives were used to knock over the light poles.

Know what I consider unreasonable?

Special pleading.
 
The impression of overall angle again is about over the Citgo, roughly. Why is this a problem?

It misses the light poles old chum.

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And here's a link to the actual data from the Pilot's Operating Handbook.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=c-gXmglyT0autmBEyujfqw&bvm=bv.61965928,d.cGU

Which sort of sums up the difference between pilots and "truthers." A pilot would look for aircraft limitations to discover the maximum speed his aircraft could fly. A "truther" watches TV.

Nicely avoided the main point.

AT SEA LEVEL - The AIR IS TOO DENSE.

Not that you could

1) achieve that speed at sea level and

2) if it did go that speed the plane would have so much wing flutter it would be uncontrollable for a seasoned pilot let alone Hani Hanjor whom the flight school said could barely fly a Cessna.
 
First fail.

The rep clearly doesn't have the foggiest idea, assuming that actually is someone at Boeing. It sounds like she's looking it up. I'll help you out here: max cruising speed about 930 km/h or about 560 mi/h. Mach 0.8 as Grumpy specifies above. They don't list an altitude (look, I gave you that detail for free) but I assume that's higher up. You might argue that they couldn't achieve that at ground level: you're forgetting, however, that they were in a powered descent. And that's that. Thanks for the link.

Edit: just to be clear here: you realise that the VNE for these things probably never comes close to maximum possible velocity before structural fail? That things are engineered to survive, not fail at the top tolerance tested?

Here's another good link for you: http://911blogger.com/node/20232

Write me back when you've read it. This is a requirement for the debate: I (reluctantly) checked your links. Now it's your turn.

Wheel out the next expert!

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China Air Flight 006

Exceeded VNE.
 
1:05:00 Cops refute missile, Globohawk, C130. Right cop refuted overfly earlier.

What about the plane that overflew the Pentagon and landed at Reagan International?

You know about this of course since you've read everything I've typed.

By the way if you watch the cops interview again they cannot see all of the Pentagon from where they were.

The cops saw a plane fly over and then heard an explosion. This is the case with all the eye witnesses.

I particularly like the testimony of the Pentagon car park security on the south face who saw QUOTE "The second plane" UNQUOTE fly over. Yes he heard an explosion and then saw a plane over fly the Pentagon.


All planes into Ronald Reagan Airport, half mile from the Pentagon, diverted except the last one. Now isn't that strange boys and girls?

The plane that reportedly struck the Pentagon was N644AA The mystery plane Tail number N644AW Only the last letter of the tail number is different.

And look at the landing time.

At the very least this plane was landing whilst events were taking place. Whilst Hani Hanjour was making this weird maneuver over Washington a legitimate flight (with a very similar tail number) was landing at the same time half a mile away. How did they know that this plane wasn't heading for the White House?


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The aircraft crashed into the western side of the Pentagon at 09:37 EDT
- wikipedia. (Actually it was probably nearer to 09:38 )

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American Airlines Flight 77:

Tail#: N644AA
Owner: Wilmington Trust Co.
Disappearing transponder signal location: Ohio, 8:56 amImpact time: *9:38 am*, Pentagon


America West Flight 0098:

Tail#: N644AW
Owner: Wilmington Trust Co.
Departure: Ohio, 8:40 (Wheels off time) Arrival: *9:39 am*

America West filed for bankruptcy in 1991, but was "rescued".

Yes the America West flight 98 that landed at Ronald Reagan Airport less than two minutes after all mayhem was breaking out at the Pentagon took off from Columbia Ohio Airport which is just north of where American Airlines Flight 77's transponder was last recorded.


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Timeline:

CMH = Columbus Airport. It's located (precisely) at the north of the point where the transponder of AA77 is switched off and it disappears":

"At roughly 8:56 the plane appears to stop in south Ohio:"

"At 9:07 it suddenly reappears further along its flight path then then stops again, apparently moving west":

"At 9:25 the plane reappears again this time on the border between Indiana and Illinois":

"At *9:43* (after the official crash into the Pentagon) Flight 77 is flying over south Illinois and is nowhere near the Pentagon.) The last few blips after that seem to be fairly random, but ultimately the plane seems to get as far as Kansas.

This plane is showing Flight 77 transponder ID

It seems America West Flight 98 is posing (on Secondary RADAR) as American Airlines Flight 77 over Washington. This plane overflies the Pentagon and lands at Ronald Reagan Airport.

In 5 years of investigation of flight 98 (passengers etc) no information has been found. It's a government plane.

The Evacuation of Reagan Airport at *9:30 am*

It seems that people were thrown out of Reagan Airport a few minutes before the Pentagon crash, at about 9:30, but it doesn't look like a controlled evacuation. Take a look at these statements from people on Reagan airport:


Lindsey Kriete, 24, of Wellesley was scheduled to leave Reagan National on a 10 a.m. flight to Boston. About 9:30 a.m., all hell broke loose, Kriete said, as airport personnel began running through the terminal, telling passengers to leave quickly. By the time Kriete had rounded up her belongings and tried to calm people who were crying, all the taxis were gone and the subway had shut down.

Another...

The phone rang. It was my sister, on her cell phone from Reagan National Airport in D.C. She was within minutes of boarding a plane to Atlanta when U.S. airspace was shut downand she was talking very fast:
"They're telling us to forget our bags and get out of the terminal!" she said. And then, as she got outside, she began to lose her composure. "I hear something that sounds like explosions . . . I'm afraid!"

It later became clear that the sounds she was hearing were actually coming from the Pentagon, which is near Reagan National

THEY EVACUATED REAGAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT BEFORE THE PENTAGON WAS STRUCK. THEY NEVER EVACUATED THE PENTAGON (UNTIL AFTER IMPACT) NOR TOLD THE PEOPLE INSIDE THAT PLANE WAS HEADING FOR THEM. THEY NEVER EVACUATED THE WHITE HOUSE NOR CONGRESS UNTIL LONG AFTER THE PENTAGON IMPACT.
 
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1:09:00 Video now claims witnesses were "conditioned" to think that the plane hit, and that the plane couldn't have hit the building. Because low-flying 757s are notably nondescript and unremarkable. Wow.

Here's an interesting and inconvenient question: so if the plan was to make people think an aircraft hit the Pentagon, why did the Zionists or whoever fly the plane just a bit over the Pentagon while instead just flying it away, particularly if they'd already crashed two planes into the Twin Towers? See, my thinking is this: if you're already crashing two planes into things, why not just, you know.... crash a third one into the Pentagon? They couldn't afford it? Remote controls all broke? Was it just a kind of superspy 'dick move', just because they could?

Because there were fighters in the air one hour after the first hijack.

Although someone called GIANT KILLER on the NEADS telephone omnibus system sent these fighters (from Langley) into the Whiskey 86 area. The Atlantic Ocean. Thus ensuring the Pentagon bogey was never intercepted. Only four fighters were defending the NEADS sector as everything else was sent away on an exercise. This despite several warnings that there may be possible hijacks being planned.

This section of the Pentagon had to be hit because this is where the details of the $2.3 trillion budget deficit (announced by Rumsfeld on Sept 10) was being kept.
 
And here's the point where Geoff turns the vid off: when the assclown narrating it considers "it is feasible to hypothesize to hypothesize" that explosives were used to knock over the light poles.

Know what I consider unreasonable?

Special pleading.

So where's your PROOF Sonny?
 
Oh by the way

WILMINGTON Delaware is where the B'Nai B'rith has it's main synagogue.

You will remember (HA!) that the Wilmington Trust owned N644AA (supposedly AA flight 77) and N644AW (Flight 098 that landed at Reagan International two minutes aftger the Pentagon was struck. Yes despite all planes being ordered to land at this point, they allowed a plane into the controlled airspace of Washington DC with the twin towers collapsing in New York. Flight 098 took off from Ohio which just so happens to be where they first lost the Transponder of Flight 77. The Squawk went off and then came back on again showing AA77.

They'd switched the planes. Just like Northwoods

As a US Navy Pilot Charles Frank Burlingame III (apparantly flying AA77 on 911) had done an exercise simulating a crash into the Pentagon.

He had flown into the Pentagon after being threatened with BOXCUTTERS.

We know about the BOXCUTTERS because of Ted Olson who's wife Barbara Olson had said on a telephone message that BOXCUTTERS were being used by the hijackers.

ERM!!!!!

Slight problem with this

In the Zacarias Moussaoui trial an FBI agent testifying under oath had indeed said that Olsons cell phone had connected.

FOR ZERO SECONDS.

oh and N644AA was never fitted with Airphones. Thankyou for playing.
 
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China Air Flight 006

Exceeded VNE.

You have just posted proof that a plane can exceed Vne and still remain controllable enough to land safely (and thus certainly be controllable enough to be flown into something large.)

You have just proved yourself wrong.
 
AT SEA LEVEL - The AIR IS TOO DENSE.

No, it's not. You'd burn through fuel prety quickly, but if you were in a descent you could easily achieve that speed. I've done it; most pilots have.

For proof look at your picture of a plane that exceeded Vne.

1) achieve that speed at sea level and

2) if it did go that speed the plane would have so much wing flutter it would be uncontrollable for a seasoned pilot . . . .

Vne is a velocity that the plane is tested to. It is proven that the plane can fly at that speed without serious control problems. It's in the manual. Exceed that speed . . . and then you might start seeing "wing flutter." That's why it's called Vne. (velocity never exceed.)

Who to believe? The manufacturer's manual or a crank who posts Youtube videos? Tough call. Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night?
 
You have just posted proof that a plane can exceed Vne and still remain controllable enough to land safely (and thus certainly be controllable enough to be flown into something large.)

You have just proved yourself wrong.

What? Ten feet off the ground with a person at the controls who couldn't fly a Cessna.

The China Air Lost it's tail in a dive

AT ALTITUDE not at 12 meters above sea level.

NICE TRY, NO BANANA.

You know it still amuses me that you haven't addressed the fact that official story is in complete opposition to the data they released.
 
No, it's not. You'd burn through fuel prety quickly, but if you were in a descent you could easily achieve that speed. I've done it; most pilots have.

For proof look at your picture of a plane that exceeded Vne.



Vne is a velocity that the plane is tested to. It is proven that the plane can fly at that speed without serious control problems. It's in the manual. Exceed that speed . . . and then you might start seeing "wing flutter." That's why it's called Vne. (velocity never exceed.)

Who to believe? The manufacturer's manual or a crank who posts Youtube videos? Tough call. Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58cPH8L78

Why don't you go onto Pilots for 911 Truth and put your THEORIES to them. Let me know when you go. I want to watch them rip you to pieces.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Go on they just love you BCTs.
 
What? Ten feet off the ground with a person at the controls who couldn't fly a Cessna.

No, but he could fly a 757 - and trained to do that.

The China Air Lost it's tail in a dive. AT ALTITUDE not at 12 meters above sea level.

They were at 12 meters (based on takeoff altimeter settings) after - wait for it - DESCENDING.

Once again you have neatly proven yourself wrong.

More crazy please! Can we go back to the secret missiles with the hologram generators?
 
No, but he could fly a 757 - and trained to do that.

No he wasn't stop making things up in your desperation.



They were at 12 meters (based on takeoff altimeter settings) after - wait for it - DESCENDING.

Once again you have neatly proven yourself wrong.

More crazy please! Can we go back to the secret missiles with the hologram generators?

Oh I get you. The height of the Pentagon fluctuates with the barometric pressure.

THE PENTAGON IS 12 METERS OFF THE GROUND.
 
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