Leopold, seeing how some police behave, is it any wonder that some people shoot at them? The alleged officer in the video punched the man in the fact for yelling that he couldn't breathe, when the officer already had him helpless. You want to scream that I can't justify shooting the cops because of acts like that? I never said that it was justified, but the police are using a lot of gratuitous violence, including violence that ends in death, so they are setting the example.
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Leopold, seeing how some police behave, is it any wonder that some people shoot at them?
..., but the police are using a lot of gratuitous violence, including violence that ends in death, so they are setting the example.
Interesting. You're judging all cops by the actions of those few? And in so doing, you think people should shoot at cops? Ooh, interesting viewpoint!
Baron Max
Baron, at one time Americans were supposed to be allowed to violently defend themselves against government agents who violated their rights. Who is stopping them now? Government agents who like to violate their rights.
Cops judge groups of citizens by the actions of a few.
Cops judge groups of citizens by the actions of a few.
how do police behave metakron? of all the crap you pulled in your youth have you ever had a police officer mistreat you?Leopold, seeing how some police behave, is it any wonder that some people shoot at them?
the man COULD breath metakron and easily.The alleged officer in the video punched the man in the fact for yelling that he couldn't breathe, when the officer already had him helpless.
acts like what? taking out a known gang member? you would have a different opinion if that man sold crack to your 11 year old daughter.You want to scream that I can't justify shooting the cops because of acts like that?
i suppose you are talking about the post of mine. uh, the suspects fired on the officers after a routine traffic stop.I never said that it was justified, but the police are using a lot of gratuitous violence, including violence that ends in death, so they are setting the example.
I checked the Dutch Police site:
All police forces will act without remorse when violence is used against police. In many cases they will write a 'ticket'. Many police forces try to speed up the case. In this case the Judge can then sentence them to pay a fine.
I could not find anything about punching the suspect in the face when violence was used against the police. I don't think it is allowed.
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Been reading a bit Dutch sources:
Apparently violence by the police in holland is on the rise, because the public is getting more aggressive. However, the percentage of injury hasn't changed. This might suggest that the police isn't getting more violent in arresting suspects. The percentage of police officers does seem on the increase. Apparently the public IS getting more violent.
Alle politiekorpsen treden streng op bij geweld tegen de politie. Ze maken in alle gevallen een proces-verbaal op. Veel politiekorpsen proberen de daders meteen verantwoordelijk te stellen. De rechter kan ze dan veroordelen tot het betalen van een schadevergoeding.
All police forces will act without remorse when violence is used against police. In many cases they will write a 'ticket'. Many police forces try to speed up the case. In this case the Judge can then sentence them to pay a fine.
I could not find anything about punching the suspect in the face when violence was used against the police. I don't think it is allowed.
edit:
Been reading a bit Dutch sources:
Apparently violence by the police in holland is on the rise, because the public is getting more aggressive. However, the percentage of injury hasn't changed. This might suggest that the police isn't getting more violent in arresting suspects. The percentage of police officers does seem on the increase. Apparently the public IS getting more violent.
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this video was taken out of context, all we have seen is the arrest, we know nothing about what exactly he is being arrested for.Leopold, you seem to think that a person can breathe with someone's knee against his chest. And if he protests that he can't breathe, you seem to think that if he actually can breathe, he's lying and should be beat up.
he could easily have hit one of the officers before the video was shot.
watch the video metakron and listen to how easily and clearly he says "i can't breath". he not only says it once but 3 times, each a little more clearly than the last.
also the punches seem to be directed to the gang members forhead and appear to be glancing blows. if the cop wanted to do major damage don't you think he would hit the gang member squarly in the nose?
The punching is not permissible.
Is resisting arrest permissible?
Baron Max
the knee on the neck not being permissable is the only thing i agree with.
but the rest? you must keep in mind that the video is taken out of context, we have no idea of the events immediatly prior. we also do not have access to the mans rap sheet. all we know is the man was a gang member wanted for theft.
i was thinking. . .
you notice that this video was aired shortly after the democratic victory.
hmmm. . .
but the rest? you must keep in mind that the video is taken out of context, we have no idea of the events immediatly prior. we also do not have access to the mans rap sheet. all we know is the man was a gang member wanted for theft.
i was thinking. . .
you notice that this video was aired shortly after the democratic victory.
hmmm. . .
"a society with such an enlightened tolerance of corruption and savagery needed to bear down hard on minor offenses to convince itself that it still had standards."
Dean Koontz
(sole survivor)
Dean Koontz
(sole survivor)
Baron, at one time Americans were supposed to be allowed to violently defend themselves against government agents who violated their rights. Who is stopping them now? Government agents who like to violate their rights.
Oh yeah sure, you've been watching too many movies.
"a society with such an enlightened tolerance of corruption and savagery needed to bear down hard on minor offenses to convince itself that it still had standards." Dean Koontz
(sole survivor)
Spurious, can y'all explain that to me using little, tiny words that an old, uneducated, ignorant, old fart like me can actually understand?
Like, what's "...enlightened tolerance..."? And how does that relate to "corruption and savagery"?
Really, I've read that over and over, and each time I get a different meaning for it. I'm beggin' you, please, interprete that for me ....and explain how it relates to anything.
Baron Max
Thanks, John99, I didn't see this post!
When was that time, MetaKron? Please explain.
Baron Max
Baron, at one time Americans were supposed to be allowed to violently defend themselves against government agents who violated their rights.
When was that time, MetaKron? Please explain.
Baron Max
Spurious, can y'all explain that to me using little, tiny words that an old, uneducated, ignorant, old fart like me can actually understand?
Like, what's "...enlightened tolerance..."? And how does that relate to "corruption and savagery"?
Really, I've read that over and over, and each time I get a different meaning for it. I'm beggin' you, please, interprete that for me ....and explain how it relates to anything.
Baron Max
Fuck man. It is only Koontz. It's not like I quote from 'Crime and punishment'.
It's your own language! be very ashamed of yourself.