you put honey and vinegar on mcgyver?
No, a Fly!
you put honey and vinegar on mcgyver?
.haven't you read anything about how the towers were constructed?
the box column dimensions have been published.
the floor plan is also known.
i would imagine that the perimeter tree columns are also known.
what's left to consider?
then why not use 22 tons?.
The only reason we know the weight of the heaviest type, 22 tons, is because it is in an engineering journal from 1970.
http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/system:list-all-pages
i have no idea if i have it or not.I have had the NCSTAR1 report burned to DVD for two years. Have you ever downloaded it?
psik
.i have no idea if i have it or not.
PS - Was that a proper mixture of honey and vinegar MacGyver1968? You know I have such poor taste in that area.
no problem..
That sounds like sufficient reason for me to not pay attention to you to me.
psik
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That sounds like sufficient reason for me to not pay attention to you to me.
psik
.You might want to add a little more honey...make that alot more honey. Cpt. did take the time to respond to your post...why be such a jerk to him? I don't think he insulted you or anything. He tried to show you an easier way to do a calculation, and you take it as an attack.
.Just a note on your methodology- you can use $$t=\frac{v_f-v_i}{g}$$ to calculate times, no need to solve a quadratic equation once you have initial and final velocities for each interval.
why ask when it's already available?.
And the people in the Science area want to call this pseudo-science while they won't even ask about the distribution of steel in a skyscraper or complain about the NIST not specifying the concrete in 10,000 pages. Give Me a Break!
psik
.What a pompous attitude! And you can't even write a simple sentence without wording it awkwardly - no wonder you believe this junk!!! Your thoughts are scattered like dust in the wind.
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Then I have to ask if you understood the equation he put up?
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In the FALL OF PHYSICS these simulated masses are hitting each other in sequence. The first drop begins from a standing start and is easy to calculate. But after the first impact things get complicated. The combined masses have an initial velocity called vi and they are going to undergo gravitational acceleration for 16 feet before hitting the 3rd mass. So I must compute the time that it will take then multiply that time by gravitational acceleration to get the velocity increase and then add that to the initial velocity to get the final velocity, vf. But his equation is based on already knowing vf and then he says I don't need the quadratic equation.
But he says he is a Physics Graduate Student. And says my model is garbage and you say he isn't insulting. At best he is a condescending dummy making a silly mistake. He is telling me how to compute t from vf but when I was writing FALL OF PHYSICS I didn't know t or vf and had to compute t before I could calculate vf. If anything I am inclined to doubt that he is a physics graduate student.
It is as though you BELIEVED the words he said instead of understanding how the math related to the physics.
You expect me to "suffer fools gladly". No my personality can't handle it. I can barely do it in real space, I don't have to bother in cyberspace. You are more concerned with being nice then solving a problem that has already dragged on at least SIX YEARS TOO LONG. And the people in the Science area want to call this pseudo-science while they won't even ask about the distribution of steel in a skyscraper or complain about the NIST not specifying the concrete in 10,000 pages. Give Me a Break!
psik
.But I'm actively learning as much as I can to correct that.
The WTC is said to have been collapsing internally before the exterior gave in,
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The NIST NCSTAR1 report consists of 54 separate reports. As far as I know they must be downloaded individually so if you had done that I don't see how you could possibly not know it. But if you haven't done it but claim you don't know that would mean you don't know what the NCSTAR1 report is. So why am I supposed to be impressed by 15 DVDs.
It is like you are trying to play an obvious bluff and get upset when it doesn't work. Make a big deal out of awkward English if you want but I am the one who has spent hours searching the NCSTAR1 report but you expect me to be impressed by someone who "doesn't know if he has it".
So nearly 3,000 Americans were killed on 9/11. It is now more than 3,000 killed in the Middle-East, and tens of thousands of Iraqis killed but you are bent out of shape over my supposed pomposity but don't even know if you have downloaded the official government report on the destruction of the buildings that started all of this bullshit. :bawl:
psik
yes, i have both the official report and the fema report along with a shitload of other documents and videos.So nearly 3,000 Americans were killed on 9/11. It is now more than 3,000 killed in the Middle-East, and tens of thousands of Iraqis killed but you are bent out of shape over my supposed pomposity but don't even know if you have downloaded the official government report on the destruction of the buildings that started all of this bullshit. :bawl:
psik
I am astonished by your brilliance. It is so nice to know I didn't need the quadratic equation. But your equation depends on KNOWING THE FINAL VELOCITY. But when I started doing these calculations I didn't know the final velocity so how was I supposed to compute it without using the quadratic equation? Please enlighten me further?
Would you care to provide the source for this supposed internal collapse and explain why you believe it and what supposedly caused it?
Does this apply to both the north and south towers? Are you sure this isn't some pseudo-science that only you REAL SCIENTISTS that don't need quadratic equations are capable of BELIEVING?
Oh, I get it. Physics only works at established universities and this is really just about keeping people believing in AUTHORITY not actually explaining things to people so they can understand it for themselves. It is just some 300 year old Newtonian physics after all and we all have computers and can download torrents of physics books. ROFL
There are a couple of skyscrapers that are built like pyramids though the one in Chicago is truncated. San Francisco always has to be more cool than Chicago.
Yeah that structural steel made it possible to eliminate thick walls on the lower levels of stone buildings to support all of that weight. But if you check Lon Waters' site you will find some columns had 20 times as much weight at the bottom as the top. So why don't you REAL SCIENTISTS want a table with the specs?
But he says he is a Physics Graduate Student. And says my model is garbage and you say he isn't insulting. At best he is a condescending dummy making a silly mistake. He is telling me how to compute t from vf but when I was writing FALL OF PHYSICS I didn't know t or vf and had to compute t before I could calculate vf. If anything I am inclined to doubt that he is a physics graduate student.
You expect me to "suffer fools gladly". No my personality can't handle it. I can barely do it in real space, I don't have to bother in cyberspace.
He didn't insult you...he called your model garbage...there's a difference. He attacked your position, and you in turn attacked him personally. He offered a better way of calculating freefall, not knowing you didn't have all that data..and you burned him for it. He was just a visitor to our little thread...and you treated him like shit.
you need exactly ZERO math skills to answer the question of whether explosives was used to bring down WTC 1 and 2.Hell...I was just happy to have someone from the physics forum drop by. This thread could use some more squiggles.
I swear I need to learn LaTeX.
.If I recall correctly, it's discussed in the Popular Mechanics article.
.Ultimately, the problem is that all the math in the world is useless if your model doesn't have any relation to the thing it's attempting to describe.
.Did you bother writing to any of the scientists/engineers who have constructed mathematical models of the WTC collapse, and asked them where they got their data? No of course you didn't, but I did suggest that you do so.