Would God be Cruel to an Innocent?

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This is not christian questions. More, realistic questions regarding "the bible" and "hatred" from the people to "the god".

Now clearly as I've said before, God is in this universe. He's nowhere else right?

Well anyways, if a innocent is considering "God", and considers something of his, and doesn't like it. Would that person suffer because of it.

thoughts? comments.
 
tnerb said:
This is not christian questions. More, realistic questions regarding "the bible" and "hatred" from the people to "the god".

Now clearly as I've said before, God is in this universe. He's nowhere else right?
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God created the Universe. So therefore there must be another "place" where He exists independant of the universe.

Well anyways, if a innocent is considering "God", and considers something of his, and doesn't like it. Would that person suffer because of it.

thoughts? comments.
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I don't believe an innocent could view anything of God as being wrong.


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tnerb said:
This is not christian questions. More, realistic questions regarding "the bible" and "hatred" from the people to "the god".

Now clearly as I've said before, God is in this universe. He's nowhere else right?

Well anyways, if a innocent is considering "God", and considers something of his, and doesn't like it. Would that person suffer because of it.

thoughts? comments.
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Orleander has a point. There are many people including Job that have voiced their disapproval of God's methods. One way or another, God sets them straight..and yes, sometimes that will require you to suffer to learn from your mistake in your logic. "Cruel"? No, God is "Just". God himself has comitted murder countless times, and sent his people to ravage lands and other people, but for the sake of Justice. He also shown a lot of mercy in his dealings with humankind.

The question is a bit vague.
 
tnerb said:
This is not christian questions. More, realistic questions regarding "the bible" and "hatred" from the people to "the god".
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So we have to merely entertain the possibility of God for the sake of this thread ? In other words, atheists are allowed ?

tnerb said:
Now clearly as I've said before, God is in this universe. He's nowhere else right?
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If god exists he should be within the universe, as there is nothing else.

tnerb said:
Well anyways, if a innocent is considering "God", and considers something of his, and doesn't like it. Would that person suffer because of it.
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First, define 'innocent'. It's really up to God, as the ultimate authority, to decide whether or not the person really is innocent, right ?
 
Cruel is a subjective point of view. In an objective sense, it does not exist.
 
Let me help him.

Would rabies attack a fluffy little doe eyed puppy dog?

Would it make him lather at the mouth, fear water and eat away his brain until he goes slowly painfully tortuously mad?
 
innocence guilt shame cruelty etc etc all exist relative something

If you want to analyze these things in relation to god, you have to look at his issues of universal management.

The OP works on the premise that everyone arrives in this world innocent ... the general (theistic) idea is however that this world exists like a correctional centre, as opposed to a repository for the innocent.
 
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Of course he would, if he thought it would prove a point (to Satan in Job's case) or set an example (the little children living in Sodom and Gomorrah) or possibly if he thought it was funny. He's God he can do whatever he wants to whom ever he wants. If you made something you should be within your rights to set it on fire, give it nasty boils or turn it into salt if you wanted.
 
CutsieMarie89 said:
Of course he would, if he thought it would prove a point (to Satan in Job's case) or set an example (the little children living in Sodom and Gomorrah) or possibly if he thought it was funny. He's God he can do whatever he wants to whom ever he wants. If you made something you should be within your rights to set it on fire, give it nasty boils or turn it into salt if you wanted.
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Exactly, its what we do when we give carcinogens to rats to see how they develop cancer for instance. Or grind up their embryos to get primary embryogenic cells for culturing.
 
S.A.M. said:
Exactly, its what we do when we give carcinogens to rats to see how they develop cancer for instance. Or grind up their embryos to get primary embryogenic cells for culturing.
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Yes, but we are over stepping our boundaries a bit there as God created the rats, but he hasn't done much to help their plight.
 
God is loving, but God's love requires God's justice. Many people struggle with this. Now, how could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The argument sounds good, but it isn't. The unstated assumption is that the people who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. Deuteronomy 9:5 and Deuteronomy 12:31 talks about the "wicked" people.

How "wicked" could those people have been? Well, how about killing their own sons and daughters by burning them in sacrifices to their gods. These people are not quite as innocent as some atheists would like you to believe.

Did God kill any innocent people along with the evil ones? When God was about to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the cities if there were 50 righteous people in them. God said no. Then Abraham asked the same question if there were 45 righteous people. Every time he dropped the number and got the same answer. The fact is that God would not have destroyed those cities if there were any righteous people in them. The few righteous who were in those cities He warned ahead of time to get out. So, God does not destroy the righteous along with the evil.
 
jayleew said:
Orleander has a point. There are many people including Job that have voiced their disapproval of God's methods. One way or another, God sets them straight..and yes, sometimes that will require you to suffer to learn from your mistake in your logic. "Cruel"? No, God is "Just". God himself has comitted murder countless times, and sent his people to ravage lands and other people, but for the sake of Justice. He also shown a lot of mercy in his dealings with humankind.

The question is a bit vague.
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I disapprove very strongly of the methods of the god of the KJV & no 1, including gods, will "set me straight" on that.
It is not a mistake in logic & no amount or severity of suffering will ever convince me otherwise.
No. The god of the KJV is not just. It is the most cruel being ever known or imagined by humans.
Your god, as portrayed in the Holy Babble, hasn't the slightest understanding of justice or mercy. Evidently, neither do you.
 
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