World trade centre collapse, 9/11 conspiracy

[Michael 345]

It's all my fault that the NCSTAR1 report cannot even specify the total amount of concrete in the towers.

NO not your fault. Allow this Minion to give you blessing and allow you to go in peace no-one will hold you responsible that NCSTAR1 cannot even specify the total amount of concrete in the towers

Feel better?

Now on a related matter, if you feel that NCSTAR1 has committed a crime against you, or others, by not being able to provide you with said required information you should list your tort and seek recompense

Good luck with that

Something like you are posting does not a Snowden make

 

[psikeyhackr]

[QUOTE="DaveC426913, post: 3632990, member: 19467"]If you have an argument, go out and get some data.
Till then, you're just talkin' through your hat.
[/QUOTE]

One of us is. I have been telling you the data is obviously wrong. That is what is so hilarious about this website that claims to be scientific.

http://911blogger.com/news/2007-12-...ential-energy-wtc-tower-1-journal-911-studies

You can check out Urich's data if you want. The funniest thing about his spreadsheet is that he has mass and potential energy columns but no height column. Of course height can be produced by dividing PE by mass.

Then things get interesting because his heights are all wrong. He has every level as 12'4". Most levels were 12 some were 14. The science of the Twin Towers analysis has been crap. You can't really debate because you know nothing.

 

[DaveC426913]

You can't really debate because you know nothing.

Not a debate. Just you complaining from the couch that others won't do your bidding.

 

[CptBork]

If you have an argument, go out and get some data.
Till then, you're just talkin' through your hat.

One of us is. I have been telling you the data is obviously wrong. That is what is so hilarious about this website that claims to be scientific.

http://911blogger.com/news/2007-12-...ential-energy-wtc-tower-1-journal-911-studies

You can check out Urich's data if you want. The funniest thing about his spreadsheet is that he has mass and potential energy columns but no height column. Of course height can be produced by dividing PE by mass.

Then things get interesting because his heights are all wrong. He has every level as 12'4". Most levels were 12 some were 14. The science of the Twin Towers analysis has been crap. You can't really debate because you know nothing.

Why don't you just make a realistic computer simulation of a skyscraper with known parameters and show everyone how it would swat 767's away like a fly? Maybe some dictator in the Arab Gulf will hire you to design a casino for them if you succeed.

 

[DaveC426913]

Why don't you just make a realistic computer simulation of a skyscraper with known parameters and show everyone how it would swat 767's away like a fly? Maybe some dictator in the Arab Gulf will hire you to design a casino for them if you succeed.

Our friend here is under the bizarre impression that
- a scale model
- with a dozen factors that can't be fine-tuned, and
- only a single test per model,
is somehow more accurate than
- a computer simulation where you could
- make it full scale, and
- set every factor exactly as per the real thing, down to an arbitrary level of detail, and
- run multiple simulations with multiple configurations.

That's because he's not an engineer - just a guy with a couch and an internet connection.

Dunning Kruger strikes again.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Dunning Kruger strikes again.

Yawn! Psychological bullshit from someone who cannot figure out what information is necessary to compute the potential energy of a skyscraper. Name calling is so impressive.

The absurdity of the Twin Towers Affair is that it is nothing but middle school physics.

only a single test per model,
is somehow more accurate than
- a computer simulation where you could
- make it full scale

That is the nice thing about the paper loops and washers physics demonstration model. Cheap and repeatable. A good sized physical model would be expensive. But I bet the bottom 60 levels would never get destroyed. But without accurate data none can be made.

Lon Waters who had a website on the core columns told me that he found no information on the horizontal beams in the core.

https://www.reddit.com/r/towerchall...delwikidotcom_lon_waters_archiveorg_20072012/

 

[CptBork]

The absurdity of the Twin Towers Affair is that it is nothing but middle school physics.

Middle school physics aren't sufficient to accurately model a tower, nor to understand the stresses and strains it undergoes when a jumbo jet smacks into it.

 

[DaveC426913]

...someone who cannot figure out what information is necessary to compute the potential energy of a skyscraper...

Can you? No? No.

I think you just admitted that you didn't finish middle school.

 

[exchemist]

Our friend here is under the bizarre impression that
- a scale model
- with a dozen factors that can't be fine-tuned, and
- only a single test per model,
is somehow more accurate than
- a computer simulation where you could
- make it full scale, and
- set every factor exactly as per the real thing, down to an arbitrary level of detail, and
- run multiple simulations with multiple configurations.

That's because he's not an engineer - just a guy with a couch and an internet connection.

Dunning Kruger strikes again.

My analysis would be different. I think what we have here is a sad troll who just wants to keep the discussion going, for kicks and to try to annoy you. Probably getting more psychotic than usual due to the lockdown or something. The "discussion", such as it is, hasn't progressed at all in the recent posts. It's stuck in a loop.

 

[DaveC426913]

My analysis would be different. I think what we have here is a sad troll who just wants to keep the discussion going, for kicks and to try to annoy you. Probably getting more psychotic than usual due to the lockdown or something. The "discussion", such as it is, hasn't progressed at all in the recent posts. It's stuck in a loop.

You haven't added any content - in how many posts? - except for trolling for attention with insults.

 

[exchemist]

Fair enough, I had missed that you had made much the same observation.

 

[CptBork]

That is the nice thing about the paper loops and washers physics demonstration model. Cheap and repeatable. A good sized physical model would be expensive. But I bet the bottom 60 levels would never get destroyed. But without accurate data none can be made.

Did you pull "60 levels" out of a magic hat or did it come from playing too much World of Warcraft? If you knew anything about physics you'd understand that once the collapse reaches the 60th floor where practically half of the building is falling on top of the remainder, not even Superman can save it.

Lon Waters who had a website on the core columns told me that he found no information on the horizontal beams in the core.

https://www.reddit.com/r/towerchall...delwikidotcom_lon_waters_archiveorg_20072012/

Great then do it for the Empire State building or any other tall building instead. In fact, if you design and model a realistic skyscraper that can withstand these kinds of impacts, you'll win a Pritzker prize in architecture and a billion dollar contract from some cokehead in Dubai.

 

[psikeyhackr]

9/11 - Why Natural Collapse Was Mathematically Impossible
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Twin-Towers-Why-Did-They-Collapse

 

[DaveC426913]

9/11 - Why Natural Collapse Was Mathematically Impossible
https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Twin-Towers-Why-Did-They-Collapse

Welp. Too bad we've already established that no amount of scientists and engineers with access to specs and simulations can prove the tower couldn't have fallen. Right psikeyhackr?

His analysis doesn't hold up unless he's built a scale model of at least 13'7" to "prove" that they couldn't have fallen. Right psikeyhackr?

That door swings both ways. You've shot your own argument in the foot.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Welp. Too bad we've already established that no amount of scientists and engineers with access to specs and simulations can prove the tower couldn't have fallen. Right psikeyhackr?

His analysis doesn't hold up unless he's built a scale model of at least 13'7" to "prove" that they couldn't have fallen. Right psikeyhackr?

That door swings both ways. You've shot your own argument in the foot.

But the flip side is also true.

No scientists or engineers without specs could prove that the towers could collapse the way they did because of airliner impacts and fires.

So that leaves the peculiar question of why brilliant individuals who come to a supposedly scientific site are not in the least interested in resolving the problem after EIGHTEEN YEARS.

So all I get is oh so unsubtle debating ploys. LOL

 

[paddoboy]

So that leaves the peculiar question of why brilliant individuals who come to a supposedly scientific site are not in the least interested in resolving the problem after EIGHTEEN YEARS.

An even more peculiar question is why don't you and others that are just as gullible and conspiracy minded as yourself, resolve it yourself? Make yourself a name!

 

[DaveC426913]

But the flip side is also true.

That's my point.

Your friend there can only conjecture, because you decreed that you will not be satisfied until its proven (or disproven) until a model is made.

I guess that means your friend is a coward because he hasn't gone the extra mile ... for you?

No scientists or engineers without specs could prove that the towers could collapse the way they did because of airliner impacts and fires.

Again, that's your claim. And it's based on ... what? Your Google Fu?

No one else - including most of the engineers in the country - thinks that a scale model is as useful as a computer sim.

So that leaves the peculiar question of why brilliant individuals who come to a supposedly scientific site are not in the least interested in resolving the problem after EIGHTEEN YEARS.

It is already resolved.
If you don't think so, that's on you.

 

[DaveC426913]

Anyway, this topic has long dried up.

psikey has added no more content that isn't mere rhetoric about how he thinks the world owes him something. That's not a debate; it's just trolling.

Signing off.

 

[paddoboy]

Anyway, this topic has long dried up.

psikey has added no more content that isn't mere rhetoric about how he thinks the world owes him something. That's not a debate; it's just trolling.

Signing off.

Most all conspiracy nuts need to troll....Take that other one, Fat Freddy? I mean really? a conspiracy to kill 3000 people, with five hijacked jets? Who could or would ever think up such a fucking unlikley scenario? And how many people would be involved in such an unlikely conspiracy? Same with the faked Moon landing nuts. How many people would need to be involved in such an impossible event? And during the height of the cold war! The USSR would have dearly loved to have shown it as fake.
Ahh some people! Brazil nuts, Walnuts, Cashew nuts, peanuts!!!! nuts nuts nuts!!!

 

[psikeyhackr]

An even more peculiar question is why don't you and others that are just as gullible and conspiracy minded as yourself, resolve it yourself? Make yourself a name!

What have I said about any conspiracy?