Women. God’s afterthought and man’s curse to rule.

[NMSquirrel]

It's hardly surprising that male chauvinism was projected onto God and subsequently written into scripture. After all, it was typically men who were behind such things. Does anyone really think that God would still be a "father" if women were the physically stronger sex?

It's funny too, because "birthing" a universe and tending to it seems like a motherly thing to do.

women are not equal to men..(back to this is a bit..)

and i thank God everytime i see a pregnant woman, that i am a guy..i would not be able to go through what they go through during pregnancy..



Gen 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

other versions say 'take charge','have dominion' one even says 'be responsible'..
all of which is redundant cause they seem to do a fair job of taking care of themselves..



2:18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
all the versions i looked at said 'helper'

it only implies subordinate in the context of getting paid to help..
(and notice the term 'suitable for him' doesn't imply humanity as whole but more of an individual?)

back to my original statement..

Women are not equal to men.
and men are not superior to women.
they have a different skill set to bring to the table..
its not fair to compare women to men, it as apple to oranges..
each have their own unique skill set that when we get together we are complete..we were not meant to do this world all by ourselves,we need a helper..

and who assumes the role of helper in your relationships is between you and your other.
i would be perfectly happy to assume the role of domestic duties..i like to cook..love the grand kid..
(but if your with your other long enough, you can take turns being the helper..)


anyway..where were we?

 

[Greatest I am]

The story actually says man is capable of disobedience, as that is what they actually did. But as predicted, nothing here other than distractions.

You, like all of us, cannot help but sin and do evil to the losers you create to survive.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

 

[Syne]

Ah, the rote "free will" post. I have already responded to this post, several times.

 

[Greatest I am]

Do you really think I put it there for you. Pfft.

I put it there for those who can think logically.

Regards
DL

 

[Syne]

No, you put it there to continue to spam this rote post whenever you are at a loss for any, more relevant, response.

Maybe you should have the foresight not to make it a response to me if you are going to try to claim it is not later on.

 

[NMSquirrel]

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

God is what you make of him..no more..no less..
some make him out more..some less..
truth is in the middle..

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

the term 'fall' denotes opinion not fact..(popular opinion is not fact)

blameworthy?
well there is logic in that..
God is supposed to be perfect and not make mistakes..so its logic that says he is not blameworthy, since blame is a function of making a mistake..

let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

this gets into the 'what is Evil?' argument..and how man defines what is or is not Evil..

but yes!
Evil is our responsibility!
We decide what is Evil and what is not and we decide what we will or won't do about it..

Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim.

so when i am standing in line for a job,i can shout "BEGONE DEMON!" cause all the other guys competing for that job are Evil?..

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what "Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have," competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

could you rephrase between the quotes please?

available? hmm..context suggests its not the use..its the abuse..

All things in moderation?