perplexity said:
on the contrary, james R would sit to gods right, while Q's head would be under his foot.
Why wont you show yourself God?
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on the contrary, james R would sit to gods right, while Q's head would be under his foot.
Theoryofrelativity said:Time perception for you and for God are likely to differ
thus what seems like a long time to you (eternity in fact) is just a blink in Gods eye, thus given the irrelevance of the request, and thus low on the agenda, you would have to observe the pencil for several hundred (possibly longer) yrs before it moves.Have you the time to spare?
This makes no sense at all.
swivel said:This makes no sense at all.
how so?
Animals perceive time differently
IMO
those with short life spans (like a couple of days - fly etc) perceive time in a kind of speeded up manner (like record on fast play) whereas animals with long life span like tortoises would perceive time slowley (slow play) hence the difference in speed of movement for the two creatures. Heart beat differs accordingly also.
Now assuming God has a very long life span, his time perception will be much slower than ours, he will notice the details we miss in our fast play world.
Thus IF the big G made the Earth in seven days we must assume this is 7 of Gods days and not 7 of ours, hence the difference in what we discuss as time for it all to happen and Christians 7 day thing.
So re pencil thing, God is not going to prioritise a trivial request like that, hence he waits a moment, that moment takes a couple of thousand years.
You'll be bored and dead long before.
Note someone elses thoughts on this matter of tiem perception in other species.
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Theory_20of_20subjective_20time_20perception
"Consider the starfish, the sloth, the human, the fly – I am postulating, for example, that these four creatures perceive time at four different levels. If you time-lapse photograph the behavior of starfish (sea stars), it is startling to watch them move and interact with each other. Perceived at our rate of perception, they appear near motionless. But film them over a period of a few days, and speed up the film so that a full hour passes in seconds. It is startling to watch them interact, fighting for territory and supremacy over a patch of food, and otherwise behaving in what now appears to be normal speed for such activities."
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looking_forward
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Theoryofrelativity said:Time perception for you and for God are likely to differ
thus what seems like a long time to you (eternity in fact) is just a blink in Gods eye, thus given the irrelevance of the request, and thus low on the agenda, you would have to observe the pencil for several hundred (possibly longer) yrs before it moves.
This is absurd and if you really believe it to be true than you have just shot in the foot any argument that prayer works or that God interacts with the world in any way. If you are correct in saying that God exists, but when he hears a prayer he responds as quick as he can which is actually thousands of years for us, then that proves that God has never responded to prayer or responded immediately to anything.
Didnt God see the world and how bad it was and tehn flood teh earth? Did this act take thousands of years? How about when he saw that the world needed saving so he sent Jesus? Was Jesus meant to be sent 1000 years earlier but it just took God a long time? Do you see how ridiculous your statemtn is now? Your statement eliminates the possibility for any kind of casual connection between God and the world.
Also, so are you saying taht God is limited from something by time. Isn't God timeless? That goes in both directions. Conversely from your point, 1 second on Earth could be an eternity for God correct? God can be in an infinite number of places at any one point in time becasue he is omnipotent and omnipresent. God can do any number of task in the smallest imaginable length of time becasue he is God. Is this not the viewpoint that most thiests take on their God? Because if it is, then your rationale for the pencil argument is wrong and contardictory to your faith.
looking_forward said:
I didn't say this though did I? I said that the pencil thing was low priority.
If I was God, I would not oblige at all. Anyway I was being facetious. But yes time perception for god is almost certainly different to ours as afterall he is a different species.
Theoryofrelativity said:
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M*W: This was an interesting post. I believe humans have relative time experiences. The week before a full moon seems to take forever. Time seems to move so slowly. The week before a New Moon, people are more uplifted and energetic, and get a lot accomplished, even if they don't fully understand that it could be an affect of the lunar cycles.
When I start feeling like I'm dragging along and getting nothing accomplished, I check the Full Moon calendar, and sure enough, that old moon is slowing me down. Many times of the New Moon, I'm all energetic and feeling up and useful, and I get a lot of work done. I don't think this is so much a science, but a reaction to our universe. Still, there is no god to attribute it to. I believe both women and men are affected by lunar cycles, just like the tides.
swivel said:
well others understood it swivel (note the relevant replies) so perhaps the problem lies with you?
Theoryofrelativity said:
Oh my bad, I must have missed the verse about time perception in the Bible. Good thing you're an expert on how god perceives things. How could I be so foolish...
thus what seems like a long time to you (eternity in fact) is just a blink in Gods eye, thus given the irrelevance of the request, and thus low on the agenda, you would have to observe the pencil for several hundred (possibly longer) yrs before it moves.
He's a supposedly omnipotent, omniscient being. Are you saying his timing sucks? He can't do several things at once? He's lazy? He can't see what I'm going to do hundreds of years before I even do it? Are you saying each person is irrelevant to god despite his power to know and see to everyone?
Was that actually a serious apologetic for why god doesn't answer prayers? Again you're left with Jesus lying. Jesus didn't say anything you ask will be done, but it will take 200 years and you'll be long dead. How many retarded excuses can you come up with before you come to the logical answer that god is imaginary?
Edit: Bah, I typed this post but then had to do something and didn't actually send it for like an hour.
Are you seriously using some babble about starfish to defend god? Time is relative, so what? Priorities? He has no priorites because he can do anything he wants instantly at any time. God is OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT. He can do a billion things at once, at any millisecond. What are you even talking about? There's barely even a straw here for you to grasp.
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Plunkies said:
I don't have a religion so not sure what characteristics you are attributing to this God you do not believe in.
So bright, hows your day been?
Guys, guys, guys.
God all ready posts here.
Have you never -read- WitnessJudgeandJury?
God all ready posts here.
Have you never -read- WitnessJudgeandJury?
Plunkies said:
I don't know what those attribues are, I don't follow religion, not being religious Mr bright.
Theoryofrelativity said:
You don't have to be religious, it's common sense. Omnipotent, omnscient, omnibenevolent, and creator.
And for someone who evidently knows absolutely nothing about even the basics of anything religious you sure do troll these boards constantly.
I think you asked a very good question, I did a similar experiment. I'm surprised that NO response came back. I wonder perhaps what you expected, what qualified as a "response"? A vision.. a floating pencil... or 'HI LOOKING_FORWARD' written in clouds... or angels choirs, plagues of locusts, pillars of fire etc. etc?looking_forward said:
The traditional God has a reputation for overdramatic acts - however, I think this is not how God speaks to most people. I am persisting in the same experiment, and having observed carefully - I have noticed a number of prayers have been answered in surprising ways, quite profound changes are happening in my life, and I'm even having new insights. These lead me to believe that something quietly dramatic is going on!
However, as yet, I have had no stunning visions (much as I would like them), no water2wine miracles (they would be useful) and no angels or pillars of fire. Sometimes I think therefore that the whole thing is bullshit - however, the changes go on happening - but they are subtle!