why we need ghosts

exchemist said:
That is not how argument works and you know it. The one making the claim is the one who needs to back it up.

You say you are an expert in this field. Ten years research, right? How is it that, after a decade of diligent work, you cannot deal with even my simple level of questions? You should be able to rattle off, from memory, details of at least half a dozen thoroughly investigated cases, explaining why my scepticism is ill-founded. Why can you not do this? What kind of "research" have you been doing all this time, then?
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I just gave you 5 cases of investigations showing paranormal evidence. Did you even look at them? What is wrong with you? You "stuck" to the first one and interrogated about who when where and all sorts of background irrelevancies. Just admit you have no interest in this evidence. It would save you so much time and effort trying to convince me you are.

You say you are an expert in this field
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When did I claim that? I have seen hundreds of investigations and read many more eyewitness accounts. That just means I know about the paranormal. To ignorant people who can't seem to do their own Google searches that may seem like an expert, but it isn't.
 
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Magical Realist said:
I just gave you 5 cases of investigations showing paranormal evidence. Did you even look at them? What is wrong with you? You "stuck" to the first one and interrogated about who when where and all sorts of background irrelevancies. Just admit you have no interest in this evidence. It would save you so much time and effort trying to convince me you are.



When did I claim that? I have seen hundreds of investigations and read many more eyewitness accounts. That just means I know about the paranormal. To ignorant people who can't seem to do their own Google searches that may seem like an expert, but it isn't.
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So, all you've got, after your 10 years or whatever it is, is videos, purporting to show paranormal events but on none of which do you have the supporting information that might enable you to defend them in depth. Fine. Now we know.
 
exchemist said:
So, all you've got, after your 10 years or whatever it is, is videos, purporting to show paranormal events but on none of which do you have the supporting information that might enable you to defend them in depth. Fine. Now we know.
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Why would you believe anecdotal accounts? You don't now and you never have. I provide the videos because they are better evidence of what goes on in investigations. If you can't look at them that's your problem.
 
I see you still don't understand what counts as "evidence". Are you even trying?
 
Daecon said:
I see you still don't understand what counts as "evidence". Are you even trying?
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I am sure now that he is not. I think he must have started with his mind made up in advance and never questioned it. It is clear he badly wants to believe and prefers to substitute large quantities of poorly documented stories for any in-depth analysis of any one of them.
 
sideshowbob said:
So what you're doing is not about science. Let's just be clear on that.
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Neither is he. He'd be researching this if he was really interested in finding out about it. Instead he gives stupid excuses not to.

Just to be clear, if I wanted to find out where to catch the fish in a river, I'd go to the old local fisherman. I wouldn't go to the scientist. You trust the people with first hand experience in a field, however unscientific you may think they are being.
 
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exchemist said:
I am sure now that he is not. I think he must have started with his mind made up in advance and never questioned it. It is clear he badly wants to believe and prefers to substitute large quantities of poorly documented stories for any in-depth analysis of any one of them.
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It doesn't matter what I believe. I presented compelling evidence and you refused to even look at it. That indicates a clear reluctance on your part to even consider this matter. What's the matter? Afraid you'll be convinced?
 
Magical Realist said:
It doesn't matter what I believe. I presented compelling evidence and you refused to even look at it. That indicates a clear reluctance on your part to even consider this matter. What's the matter? Afraid you'll be convinced?
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I also very rarely, if ever look at any "supposed" evidence that you submit: Why? Because your reputation of continually submitting videos etc of supposed paranormal/Supernatural/Alien is totally boring and says no more than the fact that many people in this world are hallucinatory, and gullible as you appear to be.
At best, some if shown to be genuine are "unexplained" : Note, unexplained does not equate to Aliens, ghosts or anything else paranormal.....simply unexplained. But you have already made up your mind to be as anti science as is possible and obviously will keep posting anything and everything that you interpret to be anti science, no matter how ludicrous that is.
I actually see you in the same light as Sylwester and his never ending alternative papers.
Have fun. :)
 
paddoboy said:
I also very rarely, if ever look at any "supposed" evidence that you submit: Why? Because your reputation of continually submitting videos etc of supposed paranormal/Supernatural/Alien is totally boring and says no more than the fact that many people in this world are hallucinatory, and gullible as you appear to be.
At best, some if shown to be genuine are "unexplained" : Note, unexplained does not equate to Aliens, ghosts or anything else paranormal.....simply unexplained. But you have already made up your mind to be as anti science as is possible and obviously will keep posting anything and everything that you interpret to be anti science, no matter how ludicrous that is.
I actually see you in the same light as Sylwester and his never ending alternative papers.
Have fun. :)
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Sci Forum Rules:

12." If you ask another member for evidence, be prepared to read the information that he or she provides for you. Don’t claim that evidence has not been provided just because you didn’t take the effort to read it.

13. It is not expected that all that follow a particular belief system will be friendly and receptive to contrary beliefs. However, there is no excuse for the general disparaging of those who subscribe to a belief system that you personally find unpalatable or offensive."

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/sciforums-site-rules.142880/
 
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Magical Realist said:
Sci Forum Rules:

12." If you ask another member for evidence, be prepared to read the information that he or she provides for you. Don’t claim that evidence has not been provided just because you didn’t take the effort to read it.

13. It is not expected that all that follow a particular belief system will be friendly and receptive to contrary beliefs. However, there is no excuse for the general disparaging of those who subscribe to a belief system that you personally find unpalatable or offensive."

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/sciforums-site-rules.142880/
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But as yet you have not supplied any evidence that exclusively shows that your wild imaginings of ghosts, goblins, Bigfoot, and Aliens are real:
Let me say again, the best you or your compatriots have ever done, is show something that as yet remains unexplained.
 
paddoboy said:
But as yet you have not supplied any evidence that exclusively shows that your wild imaginings of ghosts, goblins, Bigfoot, and Aliens are real:
Let me say again, the best you or your compatriots have ever done, is show something that as yet remains unexplained.
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lol. You wouldn't know if what I posted was evidence or not if you never open a video or read an article I post. You're in direct violation of Sci Forums rules:

" If you ask another member for evidence, be prepared to read the information that he or she provides for you. Don’t claim that evidence has not been provided just because you didn’t take the effort to read it."
 
Magical Realist said:
lol. You wouldn't know if what I posted was evidence or not if you never open a video or read an article I post. You're in direct violation of Sci Forums rules:

" If you ask another member for evidence, be prepared to read the information that he or she provides for you. Don’t claim that evidence has not been provided just because you didn’t take the effort to read it."
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When your claims day after day, week after week, year after year, are continually shown to be less than justified to your interpretations, you establish an infamous record for yourself.
And of course the crap that you do claim as evidence, if it was truly extraordinary scientific evidence to support any of your claims, you would be famous and I dare say not be here.
But as you know, and as I tell others pushing other forms of nonsense, forum's such as this are the only outlet you people have to support your fanaticism and gullibility.
So, on that score I do not need to waste my time checking out your dodgy blurry photographs, and your voices in the night, to know that they are like all the rest.
If you had anything fair dinkum, on any of the issues you push, you would not be here.
 
So, on that score I do not need to waste my time checking out your dodgy blurry photographs, and your voices in the night, to know that they are like all the rest.
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Actually you do have to look at my evidence to know if it's evidence or not. That's hard logic there. And it's a Sci Forum rule. You can't make intelligent claims about anything you deliberately ignore and least of all in a field you are woefully ignorant about.
 
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Magical Realist said:
Actually you do have to look at my evidence to know if it's evidence or not. That's hard logic there. And it's a Sci Forum rule. You can't make intelligent claims about anything you deliberately ignore and least of all in a field you are woefully ignorant about.
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:rolleyes: Another aspect that trolls seem to have ahabit of doing...appealing to the mods and moderation.
But anyway, wrong again: Like I said, and like you ignored, if you had anything of substance, you would not be here.
Your blurry photos are not evidence, your second hand claims and word of mouth are not evidence.....your own research [:rolleyes:] is not evidence: That has been shown many many many times.
At best they are [some of them] unexplained] At worst, and in most cases just plain old hoaxes and examples of gullibility and hallucinations.

I don't need to be an expert on SR/GR to know that they are well supported and overwhelmingly evidenced in both cases.
I don't need to be a ghostbuster to know that's it is fraudulent crap, that some people have a need to believe.
 
paddoboy said:
:rolleyes: Another aspect that trolls seem to have ahabit of doing...appealing to the mods and moderation.
But anyway, wrong again: Like I said, and like you ignored, if you had anything of substance, you would not be here.
Your blurry photos are not evidence, your second hand claims and word of mouth are not evidence.....your own research [:rolleyes:] is not evidence: That has been shown many many many times.
At best they are [some of them] unexplained] At worst, and in most cases just plain old hoaxes and examples of gullibility and hallucinations.

I don't need to be an expert on SR/GR to know that they are well supported and overwhelmingly evidenced in both cases.
I don't need to be a ghostbuster to know that's it is fraudulent crap, that some people have a need to believe.
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Yep..you have to look at the evidence to know if it's evidence or not. That's just the way it is.
 
Magical Realist said:
Yep..you have to look at the evidence to know if it's evidence or not. That's just the way it is.
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And most of the evidence you have referred to is either written off for the reasons I have mentioned, and that you ignore, or at best unexplained.
Note: Unexplained does not equate to ghosts, goblins, Bigfoot, or Aliens.
Otherwise you wouldn't be needing to push it down our throats so fanatically and religiously.
 
Magical Realist said:
Nope..you can't make intelligent assertions about evidence you ignore. Which says alot about what you assert.
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I can certainly make intelligent assertions about the general record of what you call evidence, that has been either totally refuted or at best unexplained, for the many reasons I have stated, no matter how many times you chose to ignore those reasons.
Again, the greatest fraudulent aspect of your many claims from Aliens, to Bigfoot, to ghosts and goblins, is that they are at best unexplained and at worst just that...fraudulent.
 
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