Why majority Jews reject Jesus as Son of God ?

[Jenyar]

originally posted by Medicine*Woman
Everytime you credit Jesus for something, you are disowning your own abilities. In a way, you are putting yourself (God's creation) down! This is NOT what Jesus would have wanted.

We give credit to God for creating us, and everything we do stems from God's creation. We have nothing to take pride in for ourselves, because everything that is good, meritous and sustaining comes from God. God did not create us so we could raise ourselves up, but so that we could glorify Him! Because all glory belongs to Him in the first place.

Read the Bible and see if Jesus never gave thanks to God for things attributed to Him. We are following his example.

John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Ephesians 5:20
always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[SnakeLord]

And this is what Jesus tought as well: we are free to make war,to hate each other and to die. That is our curse - this freedom. Snakelord and others do not notice the irony of what they are saying. They also make this choice. They choose this freedom from God, and then accuse Christians of promoting slavery and hatred. This is the sword: People will choose life or death because of Jesus. There can be no peace while sin has power. Peace only comes after sin has been destroyed, and we have chosen for Christ and not against Him.

What garbage are you babbling on about? My point was what kind of a teacher can a person be if he hates his parents, wife and children. If someone is at that stage it's obvious he doesn't like anyone and as such, imo, would not make a very good teacher.

Furthermore it says pretty clearly: "I have not come to bring peace but to set a man against his father etc etc"

Nowhere does it say Snakelord is accusing christians of promoting slavery. Frankly i find it lame how you attempt miserably to warp a simple sentence to make me look like im the one who said it.

According to the scripture jesus said: "I, (I = jesus), have Not come to bring peace...."

If we break this sentence down we can state it means the following:

jesus has not come to bring peace.

"But to set a man against his father.."

If we break that down we can see this:

jesus has not come to bring peace but to set people against each other.

So, if we all argue with each other and go against each other, we have in fact fulfilled what jesus came to do. In doing so, we also become his disciples, as long as we hate everyone aswell.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Thanx to God for everything?

Originally posted by Jenyar
We give credit to God for creating us, and everything we do stems from God's creation. We have nothing to take pride in for ourselves, because everything that is good, meritous and sustaining comes from God. God did not create us so we could raise ourselves up, but so that we could glorify Him! Because all glory belongs to Him in the first place.

Read the Bible and see if Jesus never gave thanks to God for things attributed to Him. We are following his example.

John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Ephesians 5:20
always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, you miss the point and you contradict yourself and your Bible scripture. "...the Son can do nothing by himself;..." was Jesus' admitting that he was only human. Believing that your higher power lives within you and, therefore, you are One with God, is what Jesus was refering to. Without God, you are nothing. With God, your capabilities are endless. "...because whatever the Father does the Son also does...." Again, this is what I've said about being One with God. This absolutely has NOTHING to do with any power Jesus had of himself.

If you are "always giving thanks to God the Father for everything," you would also be thanking yourself and building up your own spirit which IS the spirit of God.

You Xians focus on such miniscule words from such an out-dated, mistranslated, written-by-men book, that you fail to see God's power in your own life! This is why I believe Xianity is the AntiX, and you and your compadres are a big part of this delusion.

 

[okinrus]

What garbage are you babbling on about? My point was what kind of a teacher can a person be if he hates his parents, wife and children. If someone is at that stage it's obvious he doesn't like anyone and as such, imo, would not make a very good teacher.

Maybe but then the bible says that God is our only teacher. God is the source of all goodness. So implying that God is not good does not make sense. God defines what is good.

John 15:19 "If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have choseen you out of the world, the world hates you." The hate is one of seperation.

Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is my associate, says the LORD of hosts. Strike the shepherd that the sheep may be dispersed, and I will turn my hand against the little ones. In all the land, says the LORD, two thirds of them shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left. I will bring the one third through fire, and I will refine them as silver is refined, and I will test them as gold is tested."

The mission of Jesus was not peace in the humanistic way, but the proclaim peace given to us by crushing Satan. King Tyre clearly represents Satan in this <a TARGET="info" onClick="infoWindow=window.open('search.asp','info','scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=560,height=420')" href="http://www.ewtn.com/vbible/search.asp?abbr=Zech&ch=9&bv1=1&ev1=17">passage</a> because of what is written in <a TARGET="info" onClick="infoWindow=window.open('search.asp','info','scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=560,height=420')" href="http://www.ewtn.com/vbible/search.asp?abbr=Ezek&ch=28&bv1=11&ev1=19">Ezekiel</a>.

 

[Jenyar]

1 Timothy 5:8
If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

You do not want to understand what Jesus was saying and therefore you would say this is a contradiction. Jesus taught devotion that equals jealousy and hatred, but is neither jealousy nor hatred.
Proverbs 8:13
To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

...Even if it comes from fathers, brothers and sisters. Attachment brings prejudice and bias. Jesus also told the young man who wanted eternal life to sell all his possessions, leave his family and follow Him. The question is: how much are you prepared to loose and how much do you trust that God can give it back to you?

In this case hate, is not an emotion, but a choice. Feel the difference. Here is a parallel passage that nobody has had any qualms over:

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

originally posted by Medicine*Woman
You Xians focus on such miniscule words from such an out-dated, mistranslated, written-by-men book, that you fail to see God's power in your own life! This is why I believe Xianity is the AntiX, and you and your compadres are a big part of this delusion.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist – he denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The only delusion here is that you think you and God are the same thing. That you personally can unite yourself with your creator, according to his will, even while denying his laws, and that He is far greater than you and has set a judge over you.

What God has done is let you over to yourself. He does not stop you from thinking you are a law unto yourself - this is the curse of freedom I was talking about. Jesus has lifted that curse, but you deny him and therefore deny the true God. Your god is powerless and false - he has left no legacy, nothing to know him by, except your personal conviction, which does not amount to faith.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

The bible

Originally posted by Jenyar
1 Timothy 5:8
If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

You do not want to understand what Jesus was saying and therefore you would say this is a contradiction. Jesus taught devotion that equals jealousy and hatred, but is neither jealousy nor hatred.
Proverbs 8:13
To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

...Even if it comes from fathers, brothers and sisters. Attachment brings prejudice and bias. Jesus also told the young man who wanted eternal life to sell all his possessions, leave his family and follow Him. The question is: how much are you prepared to loose and how much do you trust that God can give it back to you?

In this case hate, is not an emotion, but a choice. Feel the difference. Here is a parallel passage that nobody has had any qualms over:

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.


1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist – he denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The only delusion here is that you think you and God are the same thing. That you personally can unite yourself with your creator, according to his will, even while denying his laws, and that He is far greater than you and has set a judge over you.

What God has done is let you over to yourself. He does not stop you from thinking you are a law unto yourself - this is the curse of freedom I was talking about. Jesus has lifted that curse, but you deny him and therefore deny the true God. Your god is powerless and false - he has left no legacy, nothing to know him by, except your personal conviction, which does not amount to faith.

Its really sad that you are so brainwashed. You need help.

 

[Jasper]

Slavery in the Bible

Jenyar was able to find an entity of two passages dealing with slavery neither of which condemed the practice.

Deuteronomy 15
12 If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.

Deut. 23
15 If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand him over to his master. 16 Let him live among you wherever he likes and in whatever town he chooses. Do not oppress him.

The first one D15 basically condones slavery, within limits.
The second passage D23 is actually a reference to resisting slavery, and I must admit that I did not beleive the bible ever resisted slavery, so I own Jenyar a debt of scolarship for pointing out this one.

Nevertheless, it seems inadequate that in a thousand or so pages of text that purport to be about morality, two minor references to slavery, one that is ambiguous about it and one that VERY BREIFLY denounces it. The inadequacy of these denonunciations of this heinous crime seem all out of proportion. To go on and on and on for hundreds of pages about what is right and wronge and moral and immoral in the human condition, and then to ambiguously sorta wink and nod at slavery for a couple of sentences, tells me that the people who wrote the bible really didn't see much wronge with slavery.
Slavery was resisted AFTER the church lost it's grip over the states.
States outlawed Slavery.
The bible has ALMOST NOTHING to say about slavery and wha it does say about it is ambiguous weak and breif.

touchete

 

[Jenyar]

Jasper

Those passages did not come out of nowhere. For something to be accepted into a culture it has to be introduced through a sequence of paradigm shifts.

You must understand that most of the Bible was written at a time when having slaves was no different than having money. It was no different than you having a CEO and working for his company.

Maybe one day when capitalism is considered archaic and even barbaric, you will find passages to show me how the Bible has alarmingly little to say about it, and I will quote one or two passages that shows how everything you have belongs to God (the same principle), and should be used/treated without selfishness, dishonesty, pride, or to further hatred.

It's all about how you treat people, how you accumulate wealth, and how you use what God has given you. What you do is up to you, and no holy book or laws is going to change you.

Here's an exercise: find something in the Bible teaching about something you love doing, and then see how long it takes for you to conform to it. Maybe then you'll have some honest perspective about slavery as well.

 

[okinrus]

Slavery was resisted AFTER the church lost it's grip over the states. States outlawed Slavery. The bible has ALMOST NOTHING to say about slavery and wha it does say about it is ambiguous weak and breif.

Jesus says "No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mamon." So this shows that man cannot have God as his master along with a slave master. Your also mistaken into thinking that the Torah is always a definitive guide to correct morals. It is not, it is a code of law for a society. The Torah does not bring rightousness. Even today somethings are legal, but morally wrong. And this is what Jesus says about the Torah, "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultry with her in his heart." Mathew 5:31-43 outlines the difference between the Torah and Jesus' teaching that fullfilled the Law. When speaking about divorse, Jesus says that He allowed divorse because of their harden hearts. I'm sure that the brutal form of slavery practiced in the south goes against "Love your neighbor as yourself" right? And so what if the bible does not detail every specific morally wrong thing. Jesus said, "The Spirit of truth will guide you to all truth". The early christians never practiced slavery, but were far of it. A few of the christians were actually slaves. It appears that the form of slavery in Jesus' time was more civilized than the kind practiced in the South.

 

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Jenyar
Jasper

Those passages did not come out of nowhere. For something to be accepted into a culture it has to be introduced through a sequence of paradigm shifts.

If GOD had anything to do with writing the bible, maybe he would have been able to say something negative about slavery. But since Arrius Calpurnius Piso wrote the new testament and assorted men wrote the old testamnet, they they could only write about what was, in your words, "accepted ... culture"

You must understand that most of the Bible was written at a time when having slaves was no different than having money. It was no different than you having a CEO and working for his company.

Owning PEOPLE is now, was then and forever shall be Qualitiatively different from owning money. Money, if left on a shelf is happy to sit there. People if left to persue their own life, liberty and happiness will run away from slavery. Money in short is inanimate, slaves are in short sentient. The jews ran away from slavery and much of the early part of the bible is the story of God intervening on behalf of them to help them throw off the unjust yolk of slavery. Why did he NEVER help let's say the Negro in a like mannner? Could it be that he doesn't exist? Or maybe GOD is a RACIST?

Maybe one day when capitalism is considered archaic and even barbaric, you will find passages to show me how the Bible has alarmingly little to say about it, and I will quote one or two passages that shows how everything you have belongs to God (the same principle), and should be used/treated without selfishness, dishonesty, pride, or to further hatred.

Capitalism is a little Barbaric, isn't it?
Are youdefending God's Racism when He helps one group escape the inhumanity of slavery by Parting The Seas, no less, only to turn a blind eye to everyother instance of slavery in history? Not a fair fair Guy is HE?

It's all about how you treat people, how you accumulate wealth, and how you use what God has given you. What you do is up to you, and no holy book or laws is going to change you.

Here's an exercise: find something in the Bible teaching about something you love doing, and then see how long it takes for you to conform to it. Maybe then you'll have some honest perspective about slavery as well.

 

[Clockwood]

We are all children of god......

 

[Medicine*Woman]

We're all children of god...

Originally posted by Clockwood
We are all children of god......

Yes, but the free will of some of god's children stole the free will of some others of god's children. I believe all sins (negativity) stem from free will.

 

[Jenyar]

posted by Jasper
Arrius Calpurnius Piso wrote the New Testament

What an obvious hoax. I'm surprised that you even quote it. I don't have time to research it now, but I am aware of these sites:
"I won't say it's not a hoax"
Of the Edge of the Lunatic Fringe and
Piso's bark only shows that he has no teeth

Owning PEOPLE is now, was then and forever shall be Qualitiatively different from owning money.

To you and me, yes. But not to a culture that accepts slavery as part of life. In Biblical times, slaves were either seen as nothing but property and a means to further your own wealth (as they still are by slave traders and child-labourers around the world), or the lowest member of the extended family, often competing with children for the favour of their master and father. The latter is the kind of relationship which the Bible addresses: that both child and slave has the same heavenly Father.

Children and slaves were important in upholding the economy and creditability of a family. If they were treated well, they listen and worked well. If they were mistreated, they rebelled and could destroy the family. Slavery is wrong, and that is why it is condemned all over the world. But it was a process to get here. Just as it was a process to get from Monarchies to Republics, from Despotism to Democracy. Once you're there, it's easy to point a finger to every idiot who came before you. You don't realize you are in the same position, only in a different culture.

Therefore your crusade against slavery in the Bible is a bit passe. There are irresponsible people alive today who treat their children worse than responsible people treated their slaves then. The "slavery" you are condeming is a state of mind. It is only that state of mind that predicts how a person with authority will treat those who are employed under him.

I'd recommend you do some research on ancient family values and cultures.

 

[Flores]

Correction

Originally posted by Clockwood
We are all children of god......

We are all the creation of god. God is not a human to begett children, he is a god that creates things to beget and to him belongs all.

 

[Jenyar]

Re: Correction

Originally posted by Flores
We are all the creation of god. God is not a human to begett children, he is a god that creates things to beget and to him belongs all.

Flores, you misunderstand the context in which "begotten" is used, at least by Christians. It does not necessarily mean physical reproduction:

Psalm 2
7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have begotten you [become your Father].

(This Psalms is made applicable to Christ in the New Testament). As you can see: When God calls you his child, he has "begotten you" in the sense that He has become your Father. The person had already been born, and come to know God, but never before has God called him "son". "Take"="Get"="got"="begotten"

It is not a difference in what has actually happened, just a different description of our relationship with God. A main difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christians see themselves as adopted children of God, while Muslims see themselves as slaves. It does not change the way God created us - how could it?

 

[Guardian Leader]

(first, I just wanna say that I'm christian) Well, I believe that the whole bible is true. Since lots of its stuff has been semi-proved by finding arifacts (pieces of noah's ark, the tomb of the step brother to jesus, so on), then I don't see why all of it wouldn't be true. So I think that it started from when jesus was here, and he told them they were wrong, and they got mad, ,and so they told their children what to believe, and their childrens' children, and so on. So I doubt it's as much as rejecting him, but more from tradition, and what their parents told them. Then again, that's just what I think...

For a long time I belived in Christianity.. I feared a God that would put me into hell for all eternity if I got him mad at me.

I finaly woke up to the real trueth about reality. Religion even Christianity is not only harmful, it threatens all life on our planet. I belive all religion evolves over time even Christianity..

Think about this...
All viewpoints of any religion ever created view god in the context of the culture when it was created. Including Jewdiasium which Christianity came from.

Isn't it odd that the depictions of "GOD" and "Angles" are dressed in the same atire of the people of their day? Robes? And sites on a throne? Why were they concept of their days and not some visions of GOD that where different from their own culture?

Is it realy relavent anyway? Are we willing to say it is right for any sentiant being no matter who he claims to be, to claim us as his/her propery? And that He/She has the right to "RULE" us? Back to slavery? God still thinks thats ok...

I'm sorry but I can no longer be intimidated by threats of eternal hell. If it does happen then so be it. I would rather spend eternity in hell for the right reason then spend eternity in heaven for the wrong one.

I can no longer except a concept that was to obviously man made. Who uses threats and intimidation to control others? Didn't the rulers of their day do that? It continues to this day, especialy by the wealthy that we work for. The concept of reward and punishment is not only very human. Just about any religion or cult use it to brainwash and control their followers.

So why should we except it as OK?

Do we rule ourselves? Or do we stay sheeple, Just "belive" have faith and be ruled by the big bully at the end of the block, who threatens to torture us if we don't follow him or fire us if we disagree with him?

Doesn't that make GOD the biggest of all terrorists?
It should't be supprising that the Abramic religions are violent, should it?

Shouldn't it also not be suprising that they supress women? they have since the religion was founded, in a culture where men where in control. That "GOD" is a "MALE" figure? if God always was, why does he even have a gender? Isn't "GOD" a spirit? Does a spirit have sex? If "GOD" does have a gender, doesn't it beg the question where did it come from? A father and a mother? Which he claims never existed. The very fact that he is a male declairs that there is also the female somewhere... one of two of a kind?

How can GOD be LOVE and torture billions of people in an eternal hell?
I belive what ever sentient being or beings that do exist that where here before we where should be our teachers, not our "GODS" or "Masters". That is if they are benevolent to begine with.

I want nothing to do with any religion or Being who ever he is, who wants to clam me as "property" I am my own person and I belong to myself and no one else.

I belive any benevolent being with any inteligence can understand and except this belife. If they can not.. He/She is not any kind of GOD. that any one should follow.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

Jews have to reject Jesus - they have no other option. If they embraced him, they would cease to a Jew and would become Christian.

Not quite true, actually, all the early followers were Jewish Christians & Gentile Christians, see below:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act002.html#40
Act 2:40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Act/Act005.html#select
Act 5:12And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
Act 5:13And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.
Act 5:14And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

And now, there are messianic Jews, see below:

http://www.umjc.org/main/umjchome.aspx
The Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations was founded 25 years ago to establish and strengthen Messianic Jewish congregations everywhere.

http://www.menorah.org/mjews.html
Messianic Jews
Among the 14 million Jewish people there is a group of perhaps twenty or thirty thousand people, born Jews, who believe in the Torah and the rest of the Tenach and practice Jewish customs and religion. They also believe in Jesus. Some, if not most of them, prefer to call Him by His Jewish name, Yeshua. Although small in number, they are a vocal group, constantly challenging the Jewish spiritual and secular authorities with their presence, demanding recognition as Jews.
It would be easiest for these Jewish believers, among whom is also the writer of these lines, to accept the advice of rabbinic leaders and put aside our belief in Jesus. The Jewish authorities work very hard to achieve it. Organizations and individuals spend their time and hundreds and thousands of dollars towards this end. Among the best known are the Peilim, Karen Yeladdenu, supported by the Ministry of Religious Affairs in Israel, and many more who do it as a full or part time job.
Why do Messianic Jews resist? What lies behind their obstinancy, not only continuing to believe themselves but also spreading their faith to others? The answer as we see it is spiritual. This spiritual aspect can be summarized as follows:
Prophecies Demand It
We believe in Yeshua (Jesus) as Messiah because He alone gives sense to the words of our Jewish prophets. There is Isaiah 53 with its minute description of the suffering servant who was despised and rejected, afflicted with pain and stripes, by whose "stripes we are healed." He then dies, is buried, yet is revived and suffers all this "for the affliction of my (Isaiah the prophet's) people." All this can best be applied to one person only - Yeshua of Nazareth. The Talmud (Sanhedrin 98) teaches that this chapter refers to Messiah. The Targum of Jonathan begins the passage with the words Ha yatslakh avdee Mashikha, "Behold my servant the Messiah shall prosper. .. " Common sense says it must refer to Jesus.

http://www.ifmj.org/aboutus.htm
I would like to mention the names of some of the faithful men who continue to be strong, courageous, and firm in this revival. Each of them continues to move toward the goal set before them by HaShem to spite the daily struggles of finances and the spiritual warfare.

Rabbi Victor Faur, Beth Shalom HaMashiaj, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Rabbi Eliezer Bograd. Bet El Shaddai, Caracas Venezuela
Rabbi Dennis Bakon, Beth Israel, Tampa, Fl
Rabbi Tom Phipps, Beth Israel, Tampa, Fl
Rabbi Reinaldo Tangarife. Bet Israel Medellin, Colombia
Rabbi Ricardo Guevara Melo, Beth Israel, Cali. Colombia
Rabbi George Quinn, Beth Israel, El Paso, Texas.
...

Long list of rabbis follows

 

[Saint]

Jesus is coming back soon, no need to argue anymore.

 

[WildBlueYonder]

The new testament tells us the Jews are stubborn, hypocrites, evil, therefore they rejected Jesus.

actually, if you see who Jesus was talking about, it was the religious authorities; the Pharisees, Saddacees mostly, those that did stuff for "all for show" or were too legalistic, the masses were condemed by their own "unbelief", yet most early converts were jewish, enough that the elders started to persecute them

Jesus pointed out their wrongdoings, critisized them fiercely, and this provoked them to anger till they planned to kill him.

again the leadership

However, is the bible true?

christians are betting their lives on that

From other points of views, what do you think is the main reason the Jews reject Jesus till today?

many still convert

here are some messianic Jews, see below:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/
http://www.umjc.org/main/umjchome.aspx
http://www.menorah.org/mjews.html
http://www.ifmj.org/aboutus.htm

 

[staples disconnected]

Hello spiritually concerned,

Sorry to butt in but,

We give credit to God for creating us, and everything we do stems from God's creation. We have nothing to take pride in for ourselves, because everything that is good, meritous and sustaining comes from God. God did not create us so we could raise ourselves up, but so that we could glorify Him! Because all glory belongs to Him in the first place.

Does anyone else find this egotistical god to be repulsive? Who would make things to gloryify himself? I don't understand this point of view, or this god.


Another thing, does anyone else find that quoting god is possibly the most unlikely thing ever to have happened- even though it is done so here all the time? We speak because it is the way we communicate- because we have evolved to manipulate air to produce noise, noise that we deem to have value. For a being that never had to speak (god), I think it unlikely that he could be quoted. In terms of the way I think a god would communicate to humans for example, a blanket message to everyone would be the only way not to lose everything in translation.


With Jews, I always thought Christians had it wrong and not the other way around. In my understanding Jesus never proclaimed himself god, but was a Jew, who followed Jewish practice. No matter what can be said of him or around him, it seems undeniable to me that to believe in Jesus is to believe in what he believed, not what others might have said of him.

time is a human construct and does not actually exist,

staples disconnected