Jenyar said:
God does not know what there isn't to know - in other words, a choice not yet made doesn't exist, unless God has made it himself. The Bible makes it clear that God did not want or expect Adam to sin. But He did know that whatever Adam chose, He would be able to forgive. The better choice would always remain open, as it still does.
Your open view theism not only doesn't make sense but is unbiblical. You read too much Greg Boyd crap. If God doesn't know what people are going to choose, how does he answer prayers and control the universe?
According to the bible, the whole concept of free will is nothing but idolatry and myth. God not only knows what a person will choose, but he determines it; he fixes it; he plans it; it’s his idea - even before the world begins!
(1) "According as he has chosen us in him
before the foundation of the world,…Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Eph. 1:4-5)
[Note: It means exactly what it says. God cannot pre-destine anything unless he knows what people are going to choose. This verse clearly says that God chooses who to be saved based on his own pleasure even before he made the world. Those who are chosen are predestined to be saved. God has a book of life, which was written before the world begins. If your name is not in the book, you go to hell. It's interesting to see that later verses say that Satan's name is not the book. That implies that God already knew that Satan will betray him, and he ordained Satan to do evil.]
(2) "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called...." (Rom. 8:28-30)
(3) "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48)
(4) "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thess. 2:13)
(5) "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of God’s own will" (Eph. 1:11)
(6) "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10)
(7) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you" (John 15:16)
(8) "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9 RSV)
(9) "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9)
(10) "He will carry out what he has planned for me, and of many such matters He is mindful" (Job 23:14 Mod. Lang)
(11) "Only, let every one lead the life which the Lord has assigned to him, and in which God has called him" (1 Cor. 7:17 RSV)
(12) "...your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:16 NIV)
(13) "Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24)
(14) "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matt. 24:3l)
(15) "...whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,...." (Rev. 17:8)
(16) "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15)
(17) "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him" (John 6:44)
(18) "...no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father" (John 6:65)
(19) "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39)
(20) "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails" (Prov. 19:21 NIV)
(21) "The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord" (Prov. 16:33)
(22) "Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" (Job 14:5 NIV)
(23) "From one man God made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live" (Acts 17:26 NIV)
(24) "...for that that is determined shall be done" (Dan. 11:36)
(25) "Therefore I endure all things for the elects' sakes that they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ...." (2 Tim. 2:10)
(26) "And a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed" (1 Peter 2:8)
(27) "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,...." (Jude 4)
(28) "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts" (Psalm 65:4)
(29) "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,...chosen and destined by God the Father...." (1 Peter 1:1-2 RSV)
(30) "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Tim. 1:9)
(31) "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47)
(32) "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord...." (Psalm 37:23)
(33) "Then the King will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34 RSV)
(34) "...but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you" (John 15:19)
(35) "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship the Devil whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8)
(36) "Jesus said to them, 'You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father'" (Matt. 20:23 NIV)
(37) "They (Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel--Ed.) did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen" (Acts 4:28 NIV)
(38) "He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen...." (Acts 10:41 NIV)
(39) "Jesus verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" ((1 Peter 1:20)
(40) "Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jer. 1:4-5).
(41) "Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded" (Rom. 11:7), "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election by God" (1 Thess. 1:4)
(42) "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth" (Isa. 42:1)
(43) "For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name...." (Isa. 45:4)
(44) "and then shall he send his angels and shall gather his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mark 13:27)
(45) "...mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there" (Isa. 65:9)
(46) "...but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days" (Mark 13:20)
(47) "And shall not God avenge his own elect" (Luke 18:7)
(48) "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?" (Rom. 8:33)
(49) "Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved...." (Col. 3:12)
(50) "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened" (Matt. 24:22)
(51) "...mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands" (Isa. 65:22)
(52) "...if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matt. 24:24)
(53) "...to reduce, if it were possible, even the elect" (Mark 13:22) and (Rom. 9:11, 11:28-29).
(54) "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called but few chosen" (Matt. 20:16, 22:14)
(55) "Yet the Lord set his affection on your forefathers and loved them, and he chose you, their descendants, above all the nations, as it is today" (Deut. 10:15 NIV)
(56) "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance" (Psalm 33:12)
(57) "For the Lord hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure" (Psalm 135:4)
(58) "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of his mouth" (Acts 22:14)
(59) "So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace" (Rom. 11:5)
(60) "Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have chosen...Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen" (Isa. 44:1-2)
(61) "From Paul, the slave of God and the messenger of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to bring faith to those God has chosen...." (Titus 1:1 LB)
(62) "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called" (1 Cor. 1:26)
(63) "Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called" (1 Cor. 7:20)
(64) "Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God" (1 Cor. 7:24)
(65) "...it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace" (Gal. 1:15)
(66) "That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory" (1 Thess. 2:12)
(67) "they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance" (Heb. 9:15)
(68) "...knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing" (1 Peter 3:9)
(69) "But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus...." (1 Peter 5:10)
(70) "...give diligence to make your calling and election sure...." (2 Peter 1:10)
(71) "Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ" (Rom. 1:6)
(72) "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks...." (1 Cor. 1:24) and (Rom. 9:24).
(73) "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me: and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6:37),
(74) "this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing...." (John 6:39)
(75) "Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him" (John 17:2)
(76) "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me: for they are thine" (John 17:9)
(77) "Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou has given me, that they be one as we are....those that thou gavest me I have kept...." (John 17:11-12)
(78) "...whom thou hast given me" (John 17:24) and "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word" (John 17:6 NIV).
(79) "...but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven" (Luke 10:20)
(80) "This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge...." (Acts 2:23 NIV)
(81) "But in fact God has arranged the parts of the body of Christ, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be" (1 Cor. 12:18 NIV)
(82) "we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began" (1 Cor. 2:7 NIV)
(83) "truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined" (Luke 22:22)
(84) "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth" (Rom. 9:18), and (Heb. 12:22-23, 1 Sam. 12:22, Psalm 86:13, Dan. 5:23).
Thanks for that i was waiting for someone to see it. Its good to know your read the WORD i gave. Sometimes i get the feeling that people do not even read the scripture i post in these threads.