Yes you have.
Big time.
You are trolling by trying to elicit an emotional response from your adversary, rather than discussing the topic at hand. Textbook..
And who is my "adversary" in this discussion?
I had mostly been speaking to Wynn, who does believe that women and children are complicit and share the responsibility if they are raped. I would strongly suggest you go back to page one of this thread and read the links provided. So I was discussing her beliefs to her.
You entered the thread, demanded everyone be careful and we tell our children to be careful, take precautions, upon which I asked you whom should we be careful of? I gave a list of people one could advise one's children and you responded "yes" to all. Which yes, included the parents as well. So I asked you a question based on your answers.
So now you have gone on this drunken spiel about how you are being somewhat victimised and apparently stalked by me, when I barely ever say 'boo' to you ever and when I do discuss anything with you, you are usually able to respond in a fairly sober manner, even when we disagree on something. This is obviously not one of those moments.
You already have the explanations Bells. You had them three years agao. I linked the thread. I also divulged personal information, which you oh so kindly elected to ignore...
You linked a 30 page thread from
3 years ago and I am supposed to remember it in detail and what you apparently divulged in that thread?
As I explained to you a few times now, I rarely ever pay attention to you. Glancing through the link you provided, I didn't back then either really.
In short, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
It's really not that difficult - everyone. Now you are able to say I am a paranoid schizophrenic and we can all go home peacefully, right?
How about you go to bed and sleep off the booze?
Yes?
This is all so much political posturing and bullshit that it doesn't even deserve dressing - or stuffing... (Wait, I'm in the states and it's Thanksgiving...)
You know precisely, exactly, what I am saying. I can't even believe that I am typing these words again - "It is not unreasonable to personally take precautions that match your expectations of immortality and to advise others to do the same". If you want to be a journalist on the battlefield don't complain if you get shot. Get it?
I have never advocated anything beyond reasonable care. This is "Part II" of the very first thread I participated in on this site. You're aware of that. You were involved in the previous rendition. What, exactly, is your problem with my stance? Because I truly, really, honestly, absolutely (hmmm... out of synonyms, but I imagine I could come up with some more if you can't quite "get it" yet...) don't understand why you have such a problem with me on this issue. I have a quite functional family, albeit with history, yet you approach me as an adversary. Why?
Do you secretly have a crush on me? I mean, what?
Are you mad?
No, really. Are you?
You enter this thread, claim I am "chasing" you around the forum, link a thread from 3 years ago, in which I barely participated in and where I did, I appear to be discussing with angrybellsprout more than anything, claim I ignored personal things you divulged in that thread (I actually hadn't read or paid that much attention to what you wrote), claim I have a problem with you, which is mildly amusing seeing I really don't speak to you that much at all... Now you ask me if I have a crush on you?
I was not aware this was "Part II" of the first thread you ever participated in on this site. Seeing that you are not the one who started it and I had been debating with Wynn mostly before you stuck you nose into it and claimed to be a victim of my wrong doing apparently in this thread and the other one..
If your stance is what you have managed to mumble out in the midst of the drunken rambling you have been doing in this thread, then I would imagine what my issue is with your stance is quite clear.
You are correct. And the sole onus upon the dead is not to have died - they would be fine today if they just hadn't gone and kicked off, right?
Because that is what we are discussing?
The onus is not on the woman or the child to not be raped. The onus is on the person to not rape.
Get it?
Define "works". Lessens the probability? Sure it does. Notice I'm very careful to leave out sexuality (male, female, hetero, etc...) because these are simple concepts that apply to everyone in all circumstances - to one degree or another.
Every military, police force, self defense group, et. al. promotes the idea of situational awareness. Be prepared - live to fight another day. This is the same stuff I'm saying - check your back seat before you get in your car, don't go around crack-town at night, etc. What exactly do you have a problem with here? Give me one, that's one, just one, fucking example of something specific that I advocate that you don't agree with. Just one... Can't do it, right?
I advocate that people should be free to not live in fear of being raped at all times. Everyone has a survival instinct and the greater majority do what they can to ensure their own safety. That is not up for debate here. What I am saying is that there are no true precautions one can take to prevent a rape, simply because it is not something one expects to happen and usually when it does happen, in the greater majority of cases, the rapist is someone the person knows and trusts. So unless you are advocating that no one should ever be trusted because everyone is a potential rapist, then yes, I do have an issue with that.
Exactly. So one must balance "freedom" against "security". The same issues that nations struggle with, and you know this. I'm not just going to let you get away with acting like a total moron here, you know...
Coming from you at the moment, that is a bit rich and frankly, hilarious.
So how should one secure themselves from rape from a spouse or family member or friend or partner? Never be in male company again? If a woman truly wants to be secure, that would be an option. Do you think it is a viable option? I don't.
Check this word out Bells: BALANCE. Do it slowly, one letter at a time. Now do it again. Now do it again. Is it seeping in yet?
Now tell me what balance and precautions your wife takes with the male members of the household? What precautions do you take against being raped by a family member?
Do you sleep with a baseball bat next to your bed in case your wife rapes you? Since you know, you are the one saying that we should always be careful and ensure our own security at all times, even with family members.
Really? Is it "stupid" to say "be careful" ever? Under any circumstances? Really? Stupid? For real?
See, this is where you lose it at - no where do I ever say: "Here, follow this prescription and you will never get raped, or assaulted in any way." You try, really hard, to read that in there. It doesn't work Bells. Not now. Not ever. Give it a rest. I'm not buying...
Now tell me how you are careful so that you protect yourself against being raped by a family member? What about your children? After all, you said one should be careful of everyone, including family members. And we know statistically that most people are raped or sexually abused by people they know. So how are you careful?
If that's what you think is proper and reasonable, sure. I don't happen to feel that way. If anything, I'm an adrenalin junkie. So is my family. I don't think you missed the skydiving, scubadiving, speed skiing, etc. etc. references over the years, did you Bells? Didn't think so. Why do try to pretend otherwise? I want you to live life to the fullest. I also want you to have a third degree black belt, or to take whatever precautions you feel are reasonable to balance the "fun" in your life with the "safety". This is bad? Why don't you come clean here, like I did? I have a personal vendetta, and admitted such. What is your agenda? Hmmmm, sweetie?
As I have said repeatedly now, I usually do not pay much attention to your posts unless you thrust yourself under my nose and demand attention, like you are now.
So any reference to the adrenaline junkie things you and your family are into would be lost on me since really, I really do not know you or read your posts that much.
Now, you have a personal vendetta against who? What do you mean by what is my agenda? Why do you assume I have an agenda?
Because I was discussing this issue with Wynn when you jumped into the discussion and accused me of god knows what, ranted drunkenly about god knows what?
Oh no. Gosh. And Geewilikers. You have a certain set of precautions that you advocate? Well gee wiz cupcake, you just planted yourself squarely in my garden. That is exactly, and I mean exactly, what I advocate. Each person, family, group, nation, etc. must make a determination as to what is reasonable in terms of precautions. It's always a tradeoff - you know this - you're involved in the system for a living. I'm not telling you anything new, nor anything that you haven't heard a thousand times before. Why do you pretend not to accept this philosophy? Your own words belie you, and I don't even have any idea why you adopt this legend. It's not true - you know this. You advise your loved ones to "be careful", yet you tell me i'm being unreasonable to suggest the exact same thing. Why?
Because that is not really what you have been going on about.
Could that be it?
/patiently...
One does not "be careful to not be raped", one takes reasonable precautions to avoid assault of any type. Look, this subject is not new to me, go reread the thread from three years ago. What's with the grandstanding here?
You want me to read 30 pages of a thread from 3 years ago to try to understand your point, if you have one?
I am a wealthy man. You already know this Bells. You need to update your playbook...
And I would know you are wealthy how exactly?
And I should care about your wealth because of what exactly?
Cute. This is actually the comment that got personal. I don't know if you're jousting here or playing for real. Because my statement was closer to reality then fiction...
Ermm you think the reality of my bumping into you on SoHo beach is closer then fiction? Or are you now referring to something else and are not noticing what my response was in regards to?
You stated that one had to be careful. I don't know you. I have never met you. I barely ever speak to you on this thread. In light of that, what do you think are the chances I would ever meet you anywhere? And as you claim, one has to be careful.
Absurd. Included only for context..
Why is it absurd? You are the one who claimed that you tell your children to be careful and I queried 'careful of whom?' and then listed different types of family members, including the parents, to which you replied "yes" to all. So why is it now absurd to you?
Yes, you did earlier. So why are you quoting it again and acting as if it was asked a second time?
You really should come back to this when you are sober.
To a degree, in the abstract, this would be a be affirmative. What part of "balance" do you not get?
And what part of you going back and forth don't you quite grasp yet?
You claim one should be always careful, and then responded yes, when I listed many different people one would normally or usually have in one's life.
Again, where did I assert: "Here is a surefire recipe to prevent rape" at, exactly? Give it a rest...
That response was to Wynn, not to you.
If you read the post clearly, you would see that I was responding to Wynn when I made that particular comment. Not you. I will give you a hint on how you can tell it was not to you. Look at the quote directly above that comment from me and see that it says "Originally Posted by wynn", which usually means that is the one I am responding to.
No one said it did - except you. If you feel differently, LINK PLEASE...
Wynn did. Go back and read the first page of this thread. Pay particular attention to
post #9.
Repetitive and badgering....
Look forward to your incomplete and out of context attempt at a reply here.
Have a nice night Bells...
Right.. Because that is now what you have been doing with me?
I have a suggestion.. Go to bed. Sleep it off. Come back and discuss it when you are sober. Otherwise, get stuffed.
I think that should be clear enough.