No, they don't. That's the point.
So you are claiming that rapes occur because not everyone takes care of themselves?
Expect whatever you like. Reality is.
Exactly. Anyone can be raped, no matter what you do. I have seen women who used to be in the army or in the police force, women who know combat and can defend themselves, be raped by a spouse or partner or stranger and these women could not do anything about it.
ORLY? Please cite or retract this Bells. Read carefully. Unless you're referring to the comment "Don't walk down SoHo beach naked at night". Did that turn into "say[ing] hat you shouldn't wear things that could attract attention to yourself, restrict your movement somewhat, just in case"? Wow.
Do you routinely parade about in the nude, at night, in the middle of a very big, very dangerous city such as Miami? If so, feel free to continue. In fact carry some signs about saying "I hate spics" just for good measure - it's within your constitutional rights if you happen to be in the US, as you are aware of. Let me know how that works out...
The point Randwolf, which you still seem unable to grasp is who walks around the streets naked? I asked you this before and you didn't answer it. And seeing as I do not live in the US, why do you assume I would walk around naked in Miami? Now as for your previous posts. Do you really want to relive them? Seeing that you appeared to be drunk or stoned out of your mind and you were all over the place. So much so that I had to ask my colleagues if there was something I was missing. And guess what? They couldn't figure out what the hell you were on about either and told me to not speak to you while you were drunk, after my last post to you.
You did say not to wear things that would attract attention to yourself,
such as watches.
"This does not mean that the mysoginist, schizophrenic, psychopathic rapist dogs from hell are not 100% culpable for their behavior, but let's get real. Don't walk down SoHo beach nude at night, don't peruse the opium dens wearing only your underwear, etc.
This, hopefully, will reduce your chances of being raped - male, female, hetero, bi, homo, inter, or any other sexual.
Don't flash you're Rolex while walking in the city. No this doesn't insinuate that women are akin to rolex's. Nonetheless, I will still admonish my daughter for pushing the issue"
If you can't remember what you post when you're drunk, I would strongly suggest you go back and read what you write before you challenge anyone.
Jeez, Bells. I am really sorry that you believe that I am so stupid that I don't understand your point. Do you really not understand mine?
/saddened
You have been posting while drunk. Abusing me because you kept going back over the same thing that had already been answered and dealt with and demanding to know why I was bringing it up again, when the reality was that you had gone back and requoted everything again, after I had already answered it.. and you had acknowledged it.. Suffice to say, it was hard to understand half of what you were on about.
Don't start this shit Bells. I'm not playing that game again - I learned my lesson the first time.
Excuse me?
Go back and read what
you have written. Otherwise, leave me the hell enough alone. I have rarely said boo to you before this thread yet you seem to be trying to portray yourself as a victim, even suggested that I was after you or some shit. I don't appreciate it. I had assumed I had made that clear the first time but you can't seem to understand.
It doesn't. Where did I assert that I did? In fact, I specifically excluded gender and sexual orientation from my comments on more than one occasion. Can you not read? So again, cite or retract.
Oh dear lord..
"This does not mean that the mysoginist, schizophrenic, psychopathic rapist dogs from hell are not 100% culpable for their behavior, but let's get real. Don't walk down SoHo beach nude at night, don't peruse the opium dens wearing only your underwear, etc."
The word is highlighted and now I want you to go back and look up what that word means and who it applies to.
I believe I mentioned during my last "drunken" encounter with you that I am aware that males get raped. So what?
Yes.. And?
You accused Sam of trolling for bringing it up, I was reminding you.
Oh, I see. Cite or retract.
Refer to above.
Au contraire. I can explain it, I have explained it, others have explained it, you don't get it. I accept this state of affairs. Let's get on with things.
Oh. This is you explaining it?
Because what we have been subjected to is your drunken babbling for the last few days.
And by others you mean Wynn and Cifo who seems to not be sure about criminal law when it applies to rape? Wynn who thinks a 4 year old girl is responsible and complicit for being raped by an adult? Those are the "others"... Some company you keep there.
Just so you know Bell's, I read these as I respond. This one is getting boring. I opened your post with much hope that things would be different tonight on a personal level with you. Not the case. You're redundant and you fail at comprehension. I'm sorry.
So you wanted me to say what? That people should be careful? And? As has been pointed out time and again, you can be as careful as you want and can still be raped.
Again, cite where I stated this applies to any one gender. In fact, the opposite is true. I try to generalize the whole mess into risk management, along with other violent and unpredictable events. Apparently, you are simply unable to grasp the fundamental concepts involved. Maybe you could try Fraggle? He seems more willing to explain elementary project and risk management methodology than I...
And since you can't quite grasp what I have been talking about predominantly in this thread with another poster, before you jammed yourself into the discussion and started lobbing accusations about something you clearly have little understanding (aside from an overly emotional and drunken reaction), I was discussing rape and sexual abuse. Right from the start. Get it now?
Bells, why do you insist on sticking with this gender specific, or even felony specific wording? This is why I accuse you of trolling...
Because Asguard, had you read the thread while sober, you might have begun to understood that the other side had placed the onus on women. Get it now? Do you understand what I was discussing with Wynn?
So do not attempt to put your standards on a conversation I was having with another poster and then throw a drunken and abusive tantrum when you are asked what you are on about because you are not being taken seriously for being the drunken and abusive poster.
It's a handy example. Would you prefer a different hypothetical? I hardly think it would matter to you.
Do you want to use "SoHo Beach or the Opium den" again?
Not in my world.
Nor should we have one hundred percent faith that the sun will come up tomorrow. I'm going with the odds that it will though, which coupled with the fact that there is absolutely nothing I could do to mitigate the risk in this case, I would just have to accept it if we have no star on the morrow.
Okay.. you're mental. Because what you have just said is that even your own spouse or daughters or anyone else in your family should not trust you because you are male.
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
You just said what I am trying to point out. What do you call that? Would a self defense class perhaps mitigate risk here? What else could possibly be the point? Physical fitness? Why do you agree with only this one simple precaution?
In the greater majority of cases, no it would not. Read the link I gave you. There are hundreds of other links that discuss the same thing. The majority of the time, it would behoove the woman (or man) to not fight back at all as it can result in their being killed. Even if the victim is armed, they are advised to not struggle with a weapon or try to shoot as things happen so fast, that even with training, one could end up being killed.
In short Randwolf, it is near impossible to try to prepare for something that could end up being your spouse who is the rapist or even your own child in some instances.
You can try and take as many defense classes as you want. But when it comes down to that crunch, as long as you are very very experienced in how to defend yourself, then yeah, in the greater majority of instances, you're pretty much screwed (no pun intended). Because the fight could result in the rapist killing you and yes, it does happen.
Yes. This is called "situational awareness" Bells. Please feel free to use big words - I can handle it.
Oh god..
No seriously, it is no point discussing this with you. I gave you a link that discusses this very thing and they tell you, unless you are uber sure, do not fight back as it could probably result in your death. The bottom line is that you have to be able to react automatically and without having to think or plan. And even with the classes, where it is all fresh in your mind and it is a controlled environment, sure it is easy. But real life is not that easy. You can have great situational awareness, but that won't protect you when you are asleep, inebriated or caught completely unaware.
Depends on who's advising you, but that's not my point. My point is that you have a strategy with boundaries set by you, your family and the state to minimize risk. Any problems with that?
Okay, then let me ask you. What is your strategy to not be raped?
What is your risk management?
Wrong.
/very, very patiently...
You can manage the risk.
Then you obviously know better than all the experts on rape.
/Bow
Do you know why? Because the rapist is more than likely to be someone the victim knows and trusts.
I'll give you my example. I have had all the classes, know how to defend myself. The only reason I wasn't raped by someone I knew and trusted enough to allow him to walk out with me in the dark carpark to get my jacket was because he stumbled when he tried to push me into my backseat as I leaned in to get said jacket. He bumped against me when he shouldn't have been there (since he was standing by the boot of the car when I leaned in) and I pushed back and was immediately standing and had turned around to face him, when he then went for the harder push. It happened in a matter of seconds. The only reason he stopped was because I had managed to wriggle my arm between us and jammed him in the nuts with my keys and when he pulled back slightly, I was off and running screaming at the top of my lungs. Does not mean I managed the risk. I just got very lucky.
But what you are advocating is something very different. Risk management [should really be risk prevention] would involve not going out alone in a dark area (my example above was following that rule...).. Don't leave your drink unattended, avoid being drunk when out, classes to learn how to defend yourself.. But you miss one important thing. We cannot know who the rapist is. The alternative is to live in fear and on constant alert that anyone around us could rape us. I don't know about you, but that is not how I live my life, nor do I want to and nor do other women or men. In fact, I know men become offended when they are simply treated as potential rapists right off the bat. I mean look at your reaction when I used your "be careful" argument about bumping into you on SoHo beach. You were offended. Just as you were offended when I asked you if your wife told your daghter(s) to be wary of you because you could be a potential rapist. And truth be told, I would never meet you anywhere because one can never be sure. Believe me Randwolf, if there was such a thing as preventing rape, then there would be no rapes. And that is the important factor you haven't grasped. Because if there was a way for anyone to ensure or reduce the chances of being raped, then the statistics for rape would plummet. That it isn't should tell you something...
Are you asking for my personal strategy? Are you sure?
I mean, what if it includes not walking down a dangerous street in a war zone in broad fucking daylight? Regardless of gender, age, race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation? Would you accept it then?
And as I asked you before, who does these things? What is your personal strategy? Enlighten me oh wise one.
I don't think you quite read and understood my posts. I'd suggest next time, you do not confuse this post with one from 3 years ago and understand that when you entered it and had a go at me, I was discussing something very particular with another poster. Not to you.
In short, how can I put this politely enough that you would understand... Stop approaching me like a drunken psycho and I will not treat you like one. Understand?