P. M. Thorne
Registered Senior Member
Okay, Mario. Guess we have reached the infamous crossroads. Have a good journey, and no hard feelings. >pmt<
P. M. Thorne said:Rosa wrote: "I don't feel put down by what Wes says.."
Okay.
As for your other statements, if that is the way you truly feel, it is admirable.
^^^^^^
SouthStar; You are going to have to help me out; what methodology? I am thinking I should know what you mean, but rather than guess, thought I had best double check.
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I wish the sun would shine. Rain, rain, rain. Not complaining, just wishing!
I never said nor implied that what *we*/*I* know about God "is all there is to know"..
RosaMagika said:SouthStar,
You may not have indeed. But for the sake of communication here, it is good to add such disclaimers.
With an attitude like yours, you give the impression of a fundamentalist, a zealot. Do you want to be seen as such?
you give the impression of a fundamentalist, a zealot
SouthStar said:"Being sincere and speaking from your heart", in conclusion, doesn't seem to help CHANGE anyone since they all presume their beliefs are void of error.
Entering a *discussion*, which they from the beginning had ABSOLUTELY no intention of admitting they might be wrong, they persist to use so-called *logic*, insults, all kinds of put downs, cursing to intimidate.
**Pardon the blabber, I visit the forum late at night..
SouthStar said:Have mercy!
Are you Christian, per chance?
In contrast to? being complacent? being "normal" or average?
Spessfy please
§outh§tar said:But of course you contradict yourself
by saying "Your argument is your authority. Your words, your reason, your ability to make good sense." and then saying "logic can't prove or disprove god, hence the problem."
If your argument is your authority, but logic can't prove/disprove God then arguments in this forum are doomed to keep hitting a brick wall where virtually no agreement ensues.
wesmorris said:Don't you think that's a little condescending? I do.
Then perhaps you can now understand the reason I take the position "god is unknowable". Then again I wonder if you can.
If your argument is your authority you concede when it cannot bear the weight of honest scrutiny. The brick wall at god is that it is an invalid question. That doesn't mean it's the end of the road, it means you need a new way of thinking of things.
SouthStar said:but then I suppose it's all really subjective which promises arguments like this will keep getting nowhere in terms of being productive.
§outh§tar said:I'm sorry. A while after I wrote this I regretted my word choice..
In this forum, where religion is discussed, it would therefore be arrogant to determine one's "argument" as final authority.
Perhaps what is necessary is to discard this method since it does not fit well at all with "matters of God"..
but then I suppose it's all really subjective which promises arguments like this will keep getting nowhere in terms of being productive.
wesmorris said:Fair enough.
LOL. You remember that part about having different ideas of 'what makes sense'? Yeah that's this stuff right here. Arrogance has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned. From my perspective, the validity and compellingness of your argument is the extent of your authority whether you can accept that fact or not. I don't see how you can sensibly construe it any other way. To me the imperative question is "is it reasonable?".
LOL. But you see, this method is what jives with reality. It's funny to hear the religious "abandon reason, because it' can't lead you to god" rather than "abandon god because reason renders it inaccessable". Reason is imperative to my survival. God is not. If god is, it gave me the tool of reason to survive, knowing that reason renders the concept of god innaccessable. As such, perhaps it wanted me to make it on my OWN without leaning on it like a little bitch.
That is a defeatest argument. If I can't learn from you, I learn from my exploration while trying to debate you.
P. M. Thorne said:SouthStar: Thank you for explaining what you meant. Sorry it took a while to get back to you. As for my methods, I do okay. I try to listen, because folks like to have an opportunity to say what they think, and I let them. It is more fun to share than to dictate. Yet, for this forum, I am not at all convinced that discussions/arguments do all that much. I really try not to argue about beliefs, but I see a lot of people being misunderstood, including myself, and so much time being spent discussing the discussion. Then, of course, there are those who feel it is their job to explain things to everyone. Truthfully, I prefer one on one's.
Not sure that I did a good job of answering your question, but I wish you the best. If you are a sincere and a willing vessal, you are well on your way. pmt