Why do you disbelieve?

WHY CANT SCIENCE CREATE ANY LIFE FORMS AT ALL? NOT EVEN A CELL, BECAUSE IF THEY DO, THEN IT WILL PROVE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOUL, IN FACT THIS WILL PROVE THAT GOD DONT EXIST!
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If they can not create a cell then your argument remains inconclusive. If they could create a cell exactly as they desired and it still remained "dead" then you might have something. However, at this moment scientists can not even create the material shell that would encapsulate the soul. It is one thing to have the core components of a cell, it is another to manipulate these incredibly complex molecules at an atomic level to build a living organism.

Furthermore, you can not draw any conclusions about the nature of the soul because it is invisible and incorporeal. For all you know a soul may be created everytime you open a beer can or jack off to child porn. You can not say that souls are eternal or that assembling a cell does not automatically create a soul. Why? Because the damn things are uninvestigatable, ergo any specific property they could have is always going to be as likely as the next.

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Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Adam and Eve.
God told her NOT to do. The serpent LIED to her and told her that she would be like God if she would eat from that fruit. However, God told Adam and Eve to eat from ALL fruits of the garden BESIDES the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. [/B]
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Ah yes but a god who is omniscient would have known that the naive Eve would have fallen for the snakes lies. In fact, in creating the garden and all its inhabitants, God created the snake to tempt Eve for the purpose of tempting Eve.

So in essence, God set-up Eve with full knowledge that she would eat from the tree of knowledge and then plagued mankind with original sin for eternity.

What an asshole.

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and then he decides to wipe out all but 8 of the population(not to mention all of the animals minus a boatload).

Major asshole
 
Oh God, when will this kids ever learn.....Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, giant purple squid monkey, blah blah blah....To claim that God dont exist is an extraordinary claim, that too requires proof, can you prove God dont exist? NO! Giant purple squid monkey? Who believes it??????

I hope this will be the last time I will respond to this topic.....

God created man to be free and idependent, God gave them gifts...In being independent, a temptation exist, a temptation of abusing gifts, or cherishing it...
God created man to choose good and evil, NOT JUST EVIL, but good as well, dont take things out of context..
You choose to do good, you got to heaven..You choose to do evil, you go to hell....God is responsible for your existence, but God is not reponsible for your decisions...

WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE? THAT WE BLAIM HITLER'S MOTHER BECAUSE OF HITLER'S DECISION? His mother have a lot to do with his upbringing, BUT THE WORLD ALSO HAVE ALOT TO DO WITH IT....

God have a lot to do with influencing good at you, but the world also have a lot of influence at you....
DO YOU CHOOSE TO DO EVIL? THEN YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO HELL....YOU CHOOSE TO DO GOOD? THEN YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO HEAVEN......

ATHEISTS WILL SAY "God is so mean, he created faulty humans and blaimed them for their fault"...
THEISTS COULD ALSO SAY "God is so good, he created good humans and rewarded them for their act.."

GOD IS ALL GOOD TO THOSE WHO LOVE MORALS (THE WORD), BUT GOOD IS ALL EVIL TO THOSE WHO LOVE GREED AND THINGS INFLUENCES OF THE WORLD (LUST,OK TO BE GAY, ETC.)...The righteous must rejoice in the end, but woe to those who reject morality!!!!!!!!



In summary, ATHEISTS NEED SOME FORM OF EDUCATION AND BRAIN CELL MASSAGE...(If that exist :D)
 
Whatsupyall,

WHY CANT SCIENCE CREATE ANY LIFE FORMS AT ALL? NOT EVEN A CELL, BECAUSE IF THEY DO, THEN IT WILL PROVE THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOUL, IN FACT THIS WILL PROVE THAT GOD DONT EXIST! BUT THE FACT IS GOD DO EXIST, AND THAT LIFE FORM DOES HAVE SOUL.......SO CURRENTLY SPEAKING, THE EVIDENCE IS GEARED TOWARDS US, MEANWHILE YOU ATHEISTS ARE STILL HOPING FOR YOUR DAY TO COME.......WELL GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR WISHFULL THINKING (ACTUALLY U NEED MORE THAN LUCK..U NEED PRAYERS..)

When science creates machines that are as intelligent and self-aware as humans, would you consider that life? If so, I predict that you will be an atheist in less than 50 years.
 
Originally posted by Voodoo Child
If they can not create a cell then your argument remains inconclusive. If they could create a cell exactly as they desired and it still remained "dead" then you might have something. However, at this moment scientists can not even create the material shell that would encapsulate the soul. It is one thing to have the core components of a cell, it is another to manipulate these incredibly complex molecules at an atomic level to build a living organism.
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Once again, Life form does have an energy in which we label as "soul" or in which you may call "Giant purple squid monkey" or "Glutamate quantum monosodium chemical impulse reflector", :D, label it however you want, label it after your dog, call that energy "Sparky chemical", LOL.....

Your wrong, we can gather fresh human brain undamaged, fresh heart, liver, etc....This are all accessible...

LOL, why dont you gather all of them parts and prove that there is no soul, like the movie Frankentstein, bring a person to life out of gathering those parts, HAHAHGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, NO SERIOUSLY I AM LAUGHING HARD RIGHT NOW, THIS IS CRAZY, AND YOU DARE CALL US DELUSIONAL? WHOS DELUSIONAL NOW?? YOU GUYS ARE DOOMED, YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME ON LIES AND OPINIONS ( I JUST WANT TO CLEARLY SAY THIS BEFORE YOU DIE, SO WHEN YOUR JUSTICE IS GIVEN, YOU CAN NO LONGER TELL GOD "WE NEVER KNEW THAT LORD")...
REMEMBER THIS WORDS, THIS WORDS WILL BE MARKED WITH YOU THROUGH ALL ETERNITY................
 
THEISTS COULD ALSO SAY "God is so good, he created good humans and rewarded them for their act.."
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Those theists, of course, would probably not be christian. Any decent Chrissie knows that humans are inherently sinners, for if they were good they wouldn't need salvation(and there would be no reason to pay tithes).

IMO, that is why the freewill argument doesn't cut it. If there is freewill, show me a single person who has stepped out of the dark and wide shadow that is original sin. There is only one, and he doesn't really count.

WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE? THAT WE BLAIM HITLER'S MOTHER BECAUSE OF HITLER'S DECISION?
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Hitler's mother didn't create every base pair of Hitler's DNA. Hitler's mommy isn't omniscient, and hence didn't understand exactly what Hitler was to become. Hitler's mommy didn't create every minute sociological and psychological influence that shaped Hitler.
Granted, you need assholes to make the world interesting, but punishing an asshole because he is not something other than the asshole he is destined to be is kind of wacky, don't you agree?
 
Your wrong, we can gather fresh human brain undamaged, fresh heart, liver, etc....This are all accessible...
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The problem with this statement, apart from the grammar, is that the fresh heart and liver was already formed by a soul bearing organism, so you have confounded your experiment.

LOL, why dont you gather all of them parts and prove that there is no soul, like the movie Frankentstein, bring a person to life out of gathering those parts
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Er, cloning.
 
Ill give you a quick thought concerning the soul..A soul is a form of energy like light...(a more potent version of sub atomic particles, if that energy is measured and detected at 266,000,000 m/s, then the energy that makes up a soul is quintillion times fold that..)
A soul is like whem u put a flashlight in front of your hands, to reflect against the wall, you know how you shape it into dogs, cats, and the light reflects against the wall exactly how you want your hands to form, maybe like a cat, or a pig...
You know how we record CD's we use laser lights, to mark it..The component being the human body, and the cd inside it being the soul...But imagine the cd being much more of a pure energy, lets say like sub-atomic particles, invisible to the human eye...

Our body records our way of life on earth, when the body's function dies, it stops recording, and your soul will always be forever as it is (unless like a cd burner you can re-record it again) WE CALL THIS "RESSURECTION"....

A soul that does not get ressurection is doomed and is in painfull suffering, being separate from the body where it originately belong..

thats why there are numerous sightings of ghosts crying, yelling, some are even made as to move objects, desiring attention, longing to obtain what it had when it was on the flesh...Some souls does the same thing over and over again...For instance, there has been numerous sightings of war veterans doing the same war that took place 100 years ago.....This are doomed souls, either this souls are in purgatory, or in hell...The happy souls donot stay here.....

IN ORDER FOR A SOUL TO BE IN HEAVEN, IN NEED TO BE RESSURECTED LIKE CHRIST, HAVING ITS OWN BODY AGAIN......RESSURECTION, THE FINAL DAY FOR THE STRONG AND TRUE IN THEIR LIFE ON EARTH.....
 
Whatsupyall,

LOL, why dont you gather all of them parts and prove that there is no soul, like the movie Frankentstein, bring a person to life out of gathering those parts....THIS IS CRAZY, AND YOU DARE CALL US DELUSIONAL? WHOS DELUSIONAL NOW??

Doctors have brought many people back to life after being dead for a while using scientific techniques. You may attribute this to God. But without medical attention, someone who has been dead for a while has never suddenly pops back to life, do they? How do you explain that? How do you explain science "putting the life" back into a body?
 
whatsupyall:

<i>Ill give you a quick thought concerning the soul..A soul is a form of energy like light...</i>

Ok. How can we detect this energy? What equipment should we use?
 
Originally posted by Empty Dragon
spuriousmonkey what makes you say there is no truth?
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i did a bit of research in the history of science...and one thing I learned is that the truth is totally dependent on cultural context. The truth is therefore is changeable and not fixed.

therefore, there is 'a' truth that is under the influence of change. And often we consider it to be 'the' truth. But since 'the truth' is evolving all the time there is no truth...

and this was probably somewhat confusing...
 
Originally posted by Voodoo Child
Those theists, of course, would probably not be christian. Any decent Chrissie knows that humans are inherently sinners, for if they were good they wouldn't need salvation(and there would be no reason to pay tithes).
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No humans is pure evil either, as no humans are pure good...If you make a comment with "God is so evil because he made evil man and blaimed them for their evil deeds", then I can also say "God is so good because he made good man and rewarded them for their good deeds"...

NEXT TIME USE YOUR BRAIN CELLS, OK?.......

Originally posted by Voodoo Child

IMO, that is why the freewill argument doesn't cut it. If there is freewill, show me a single person who has stepped out of the dark and wide shadow that is original sin. There is only one, and he doesn't really count.
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SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU AND I ARE CYBORGS, LIKE ROBOTS WITH NO FREEWILL...YOUR DELUSIONAL, I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I KNOW I AM INDEPENDENT AND HAVE FREEWILL, AND CAN MAKE DECISIONS FOR MYSELF...IF YOU ARE A ROBOT, WITH NO FREEWILL, THATS JUST YOU, NOT ME, SO DONT CALL THEISTS DELUSIONAL EVER AGAIN, EVER.....EVER.......EVER............:)

Originally posted by Voodoo Child

Hitler's mother didn't create every base pair of Hitler's DNA. Hitler's mommy isn't omniscient, and hence didn't understand exactly what Hitler was to become. Hitler's mommy didn't create every minute sociological and psychological influence that shaped Hitler.
Granted, you need assholes to make the world interesting, but punishing an asshole because he is not something other than the asshole he is destined to be is kind of wacky, don't you agree?
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What your trying to say once again is that God should slap your hands if you chose to pick a wrong tree, you are trying to tel me that God should interfere with your decisions and not give you the chance to make decisions for yourself......What your trying to say is that why didnt just God turn us into a vegetable or an animal who relies on instincts and whos intelligence are not high enough to make decisions for themselves......

WELL GUESS WHAT, YOU CANT TELL GOD WHAT TO DO, GOD CREATED MAN TO BE INDEPENDENT AND FREE TO FOLLOW HIM OR REJECT HIM, GOD DIDNT CREATE YOU TO BE A VEGETABLE...SO SORRY, YOUR NOT GOD, NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH ((((making faces))))).....
 
Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i did a bit of research in the history of science...and one thing I learned is that the truth is totally dependent on cultural context. The truth is therefore is changeable and not fixed.

therefore, there is 'a' truth that is under the influence of change. And often we consider it to be 'the' truth. But since 'the truth' is evolving all the time there is no truth...

and this was probably somewhat confusing...
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i think you've nailed it, good choice of words.
but then why do you live? (this is my dilemma i'm interested in your response)
 
Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i did a bit of research in the history of science...and one thing I learned is that the truth is totally dependent on cultural context. The truth is therefore is changeable and not fixed.

therefore, there is 'a' truth that is under the influence of change. And often we consider it to be 'the' truth. But since 'the truth' is evolving all the time there is no truth...

and this was probably somewhat confusing...
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well, you're only partially right. there IS truth, it's just not exactly where you'd think it is. For instance... is it not true that you just read this?
 
Hey Whatsupyall............while I'm on your side you dont need to be calling anyone delusional! cut back on the personal comments and stick to the issue!

Has cloning a human been accomplished yet? I'm sure that group that believes in aliens from the 70's have NOT done it....so has anyone else?
 
I don't think they have cloned anything either.......but erm.......have you noticed how all Chinese look the same, just a thought :D
 
Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i did a bit of research in the history of science...and one thing I learned is that the truth is totally dependent on cultural context. The truth is therefore is changeable and not fixed.

therefore, there is 'a' truth that is under the influence of change. And often we consider it to be 'the' truth. But since 'the truth' is evolving all the time there is no truth...

and this was probably somewhat confusing.
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Truth can be conditional but it is not mutable. The confusion occurs, primarily, because of conditions that are believed to be universal but are not. For example: Newtonian physics is true but the conditions upon which it is dependant were not revealed until Einstein.

Those things that were believed to be true and later proven false were false all along.

~Raithere
 
Funny how some pepole will go through such trouble to argue meaningless things such as evidence and not answere such a complicated question that has such a simple answere.

Why do we need to belive???? (because otherwise we go to hell? BullShit! Bring on hell!)
No body wants to chalenge me on this....

I say we don't need to, God is not a neccesity, rather a luxury.

Anyone,,, Whatsupyall give it a try, tell me why I need to believe blindly and unqestioningly the EXACT same thing as you believe.
I want an arguement(not 'BECAUSE OF THE FACTS KID!'), obviously your supreme Christian intelect isn't quite clear to us stupid brainwashed non-Chirsitians. Maybe you should explain it in our terms. I'm just not getting it. :p

I don't think *Common sense* applies, half of the world are non-Chiristians. In my country Sweden there are exactly 2x as many atheists as theists and about as many agnosics as theists, that makes only 1/4 of the population Christian 1/4 agnostic 1/2 Atheist (and we don't argue about it too much either).
Besides *Common sense* is a dangerous thing. 200 years ago it was *common sense* that all black people were 'not quite human'.
 
The freewill again. Is it really free if there is an incentive attached to one choice and a consequence attached to the alternative? A true freewill should be no gain or lose between the choices, don't you think?
 
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