why do women do this?

[Liebling]

Do it because you enjoy it goes without saying, there is no worse experience than having someone perform without passion or pleasure...yet still I will keep my teeth thank you.

You are reading things that aren't there if you heard that men stick around without sex or that this is a welcome tactic. No one here has referred to sexless relations but that doesn't mean its wise to throw yourself on his loins after hello how are you. You have to feel these things unless of course you simply want a shag and a cigarette.

Ask a man about the dead fish they've slept with. I know plenty who are still married to those dead fish... why? Because they are nice guys... awww.

You say that as if there is something inherently wrong with the shag and the cigarette. I've had coyote ugly days I'm not proud of, but it fufilled a want at the time.

Plenty of people in this thread (before you and the Wolf came in to make it interesting) have alluded to the idea that women can, and should hold out simply because it should be played that way. That you shouldn't hop in for the pokey if you feel like it because it strips you of your power. Sometimes, a lay is just a lay and it's okay to not be interested past that.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Liebling: You say that as if there is something inherently wrong with the shag and the cigarette. I've had coyote ugly days I'm not proud of, but it fufilled a want at the time.

Absolutely not! I am not suggesting wearing your white gloves, I have no victorian notions of romance and sex.

If you read through the post carefully you'll notice that the value of holding out are the notions of little boys who need that in order to feel safe with whatever girl they are chasing. If the girl is after said all american frat boy then yes she is absolutely correct to withhold sex until of course she is seduced by a greater power. Why? Because if she doesn't then she will have to put up with their ridiculous judgements. Those views are all in context if you go back and read them. There is no point in frightening a boy with unadulterated sexual lust if he is only going to feel threatened, transfer his fear and call out slut from the pulpit, it would be wasted on him, better to string em out. So in this case the girl made the right move.

 

[phlogistician]

You are the one talking shit and being disrespectful. I don't think you understood that the purpose of my last post was simply implying that you should get out of this thread.

It's a public forum, as you recognise later on in your rant. I can say what I want as long as I don't break forum rules. You don't have to like what I post. So suck it up.

Again, where does this come from? She said no in the process of it, that's what I did not understand.

"In the process of it" ? I asked you how far you got and you didn't answer me. Nonetheless, you could both be butt naked, and have each other's genitals in hand, that doesn't mean you should expect penetrative sex.

Not true, I just don't like to respond to those who act like they know it all.

Where have I said I know it all? That's a straw man you are stuffing there.

There were plenty of people who disagreed with my views and said so in a more respectful manner, you weren't one of them.

I don't respect you, so why would I give you the false impression on a forum that I do?

You just threw this "what do you know you are 22" argument. Thats not questioning, thats just pointing the finger and being a douche bag.

Let's back track, I found it funny that you generalise about all women based on one event on your life, that you still count a relationship you had when you were 15, and you are just 22. Deal with it. You are young, and have made an arse of yourself on a public forum. If you find the topic of having your sexual advances repulsed sensitive, then don't post, it's your choice.

This is a public forum, who gives a crap. People can discuss whatever they want, don't feed me this horseshit.

Exactly, put me on ignore if you don't like it.

How is it a lack of respect? Its just relationship and dating talk. Its not like I posted a picture of her with her name and address, for all you know this never happened.

I suspect parts of it may not have happened, but that is a separate discussion.

This entire thread all you did was flame from start, while I responded to everything you said.

No, you never responded to me about how far you got before being repelled.

You were unable to do so and gave me one line answers followed by you preaching about how great you are at every response.

Quote me. But I know you can't, because I haven't said 'I am great' here.

Again, if you think I am so naive, disrespectful, selfish etc; while you are "a gentleman who brags about it"... Why do you bother arguing with me? Just ignore this whole thing and move on, oh great one.

You may be getting the idea that many and various people, bar Mike the Misogynist, find your attitude from naive, to offensive. If you open yourself up to criticism, don't be surprised if you receive it. It's really that simple.

 

[mikenostic]

All this talk about charm and seduction... you'd think Greene was a female with all those romantic notions. I'd rather go out with some confident guy than to go home with some pansy who promised to make sweet love to me. Sometimes, whether or not we women want to admit it, we just want to get fucked. We want excitment more than we want to feel loved. That's why the nice guys finish last.

BINGO!!!
I was watching an episode of Mind of Mencia the other day and Carlos was talking to the audience. Here was his monologue.
Carlos: So I get women coming up to me asking me (in his mocking female whiny voice): "Carlos, why are men such dicks?" and I say "Because that's the only type of guy you ladies will FUCK!" (the audience roars with applause.

He even goes so far to ask a few ladies in the audience if they are more attracted to nice guys or bad boys. All of them said bad boys; nice guys are too boring.
It never fails to perplex me how women vehemently preach they want a nice guy, yet almost inevitably start dating a jerk/jackass.
IMO, ladies would get a lot more respect if they would just grow up and admit it; kinda like the same principle as ladies refusing to admit that they fart. Please.

It's all about the sex. If you show the woman you want it, it will score you points. Here's where women screw it up though... they make it all romantic, candlelit dinners and warm soft kisses. Men don't care about that shit but get on your knees and give them mindblowing fellatio and he'll be entranced for life. That's the power. It's not about the spirit... unless of course you swallow too.

Lieb, I don't understand the bold statement. I mean the guy is showing the girl he wants it by merely asking her out.

 

[Liebling]

Yes and no. Too often, guys date because they just want to get laid and anyone will do, they don't want to be alone or because everyone expects them to. Girls can pick up on that too. A lot of times, men will settle for second best and it definitely comes across in their body language.

 

[mikenostic]

Yes and no. Too often, guys date because they just want to get laid and anyone will do, they don't want to be alone or because everyone expects them to.

They probably just want to get laid because they know relationships can be a pain in the ass; they don't want all the strings attached (including the one on the tampon LOL) that comes along with sex.

Girls can pick up on that too.

True. Too bad they can't pick up on whether or not a guy will beat them.
But if one practices and observes, anyone can learn to pickup on subtle body language cues.
I watch the body language of the women I talk to quite acutely. Just to see how they react.
I've had three women that I work with, all at different stores assume the exact same posture when talking to me.
I'm not sure how to take it because their posture contains mixed signals.

A lot of times, men will settle for second best and it definitely comes across in their body language.

My guess is that they settle for second best because the best just requires entirely too much effort (and it often does I'm afraid).
Relationships are fairly high maintenance and require a substantial amount of effort.

 

[Roman]

Liebling: You say that as if there is something inherently wrong with the shag and the cigarette. I've had coyote ugly days I'm not proud of, but it fufilled a want at the time.

Absolutely not! I am not suggesting wearing your white gloves, I have no victorian notions of romance and sex.

If you read through the post carefully you'll notice that the value of holding out are the notions of little boys who need that in order to feel safe with whatever girl they are chasing. If the girl is after said all american frat boy then yes she is absolutely correct to withhold sex until of course she is seduced by a greater power. Why? Because if she doesn't then she will have to put up with their ridiculous judgements. Those views are all in context if you go back and read them. There is no point in frightening a boy with unadulterated sexual lust if he is only going to feel threatened, transfer his fear and call out slut from the pulpit, it would be wasted on him, better to string em out. So in this case the girl made the right move.

So you're a tease?
Either way, frat boys are going to be calling you names.

The real question is; why the fuck are you dating frat boys? You like the smell of their daddy's money?

 

[Roman]

You expect sex on the first date. Real life doesn't play out like a porno, people don't just meet and fuck.

If you're an old, unattractive geek who dwells on science forums, sure. But I've done the "just meet and fuck". It's actually not that hard.

I've no idea, being a gentleman I'd often offer to walk girls home, in fact, I once turned down a girl who propositioned me in a nightclub, because I'd already promised to walk a female friend home.

But I guess there's the difference between Chris and I; I am a gentleman.

Wow! You are so cool! You were once propositioned in a nightclub!
I now understand your mistaken view that "people don't just meet and fuck."

And just because they might not be broken doesn't mean they are completely well.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who was completely well. Everyone's got cracks. Do you know anyone who's completely well?

I have no problem with a woman waiting. What I do have a problem with is when the woman waits until the last second and just up and changes her mind. There is not a fuckin man on this board (a 'real' one if you will) that will admit to enjoying when a woman just up and changes her mind.

Except for Chris, in the OP, and multiple times through out. He's a "sucker" for that sort of behavior, as he says.

And yes, if a woman ever up and does something like that to me, I will not return her phone calls. It's not the fact that she wouldn't sleep with me, it never has been. It's the fact that she blindsided him with 'I'm not ready yet' AFTER she invited him in for drinks and what not.

You ever wonder if your loneliness is due to you being too intolerant to live with, and not the other way around?

 

[Orleander]

....You ever wonder if your loneliness is due to you being too intolerant to live with, and not the other way around?

He's not lonely. He has dogs.
And as soon as he's done changing them to his specifications, they will tolerate him quite well.

 

[chris4355]

"In the process of it" ? I asked you how far you got and you didn't answer me. Nonetheless, you could both be butt naked, and have each other's genitals in hand, that doesn't mean you should expect penetrative sex.

We were in bed making out and I in the process of taking cloths off sorry I don't feel like getting into explicit details.

Where have I said I know it all? That's a straw man you are stuffing there.

I never said you claimed you did, I said you act like it.

I don't respect you, so why would I give you the false impression on a forum that I do?

Because if you want your point to get through in an argument its easier to do so in a respectful manner.

Let's back track, I found it funny that you generalise about all women based on one event on your life, that you still count a relationship you had when you were 15, and you are just 22. Deal with it. You are young, and have made an arse of yourself on a public forum. If you find the topic of having your sexual advances repulsed sensitive, then don't post, it's your choice.

Are you retarded or completely ignorant of everything I say? I thought I made it clear you misread what I meant. I've had plenty of dates and relationships in the past 7 years what I was saying was I never had a 7 year long relationship..

Exactly, put me on ignore if you don't like it.

I would like to but I find your posts interesting in other discussions.

Quote me. But I know you can't, because I haven't said 'I am great' here.

"I am a true gentleman, and you are a naive 22 year old." Has been the essence of half your posts. Don't take things out of context.

You may be getting the idea that many and various people, bar Mike the Misogynist, find your attitude from naive, to offensive. If you open yourself up to criticism, don't be surprised if you receive it. It's really that simple.

There's a difference between criticism and disrespect.



both genitals in hand, butt naked, and I don't expect sex at that point? lol. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Exactly, put me on ignore if you don't like it.

I think I'd just ignore what you say in here from now on.

 

[Roman]

He's not lonely. He has dogs.
And as soon as he's done changing them to his specifications, they will tolerate him quite well.

That's what he says, anyway.

 

[mikenostic]

You ever wonder if your loneliness is due to you being too intolerant to live with, and not the other way around?

Thanks for the news flash Captain Obvious.
You ever wonder if your knee jerk reaction statements like this is due to you not reading my previous posts, throughout several threads that very well indicate why I am by myself? I've already mentioned that I am set in my ways and if they don't like it, there are plenty of way more tolerant degenerates, such as yourself that will put up with their stuff.

He's not lonely. He has dogs.
And as soon as he's done changing them to his specifications, they will tolerate him quite well.

Yep. I'd rather have dogs than a fat, unattractive spouse of which I could do no better than.
As far as changing them to my specifications...that statement right there shows what an ignorant c### you portray yourself to be.
I train my dogs pretty much the same way Cesar Millan does. I'm pretty sure you would be the only one to say that he 'changes dogs to his specifications'.

 

[Roman]

I think she was talking about the lipstick and skirts you put on your dogs before you fuck 'em.

 

[phlogistician]

If you're an old, unattractive geek who dwells on science forums, sure. But I've done the "just meet and fuck". It's actually not that hard.

I know it's not hard, you just have to lower your standards and bingo, you're fucking.

Wow! You are so cool! You were once propositioned in a nightclub!
I now understand your mistaken view that "people don't just meet and fuck."

That was half the story, but I guess because you have the attention span of a goldfish, thanks to all the porno you consume, the rationale is not worth repeating.

 

[phlogistician]

There's a difference between criticism and disrespect.

And I both disrespect and criticise you. What don't you get about that? NEWS FLASH! I think you are pathetic. I TOTALLY DISRESPECT YOU.

OK, got it? good.

both genitals in hand, butt naked, and I don't expect sex at that point? lol. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Merely because you lack life experience, It may come to you yet.

I think I'd just ignore what you say in here from now on.

Hoorah, and me and the rest of the sane people can have a good laugh behind your back!

 

[Roman]

I know it's not hard, you just have to lower your standards and bingo, you're fucking.

Then wtf are you blathering on about, old man? How you can't even get pussy after you lower your standards? There are dumb sluts, and there are ugly sluts. Guess you must be stuck with dumb ugly ones, huh.

That was half the story, but I guess because you have the attention span of a goldfish, thanks to all the porno you consume, the rationale is not worth repeating.

What's the other half of the story? That you were so excited it stuck with you for the past 3 decades and you had to share it with the internet?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Daimon: A woman seeking what she can never have, finding ways to create self-esteem in her chosen lifestyle, believing that her experiencing things is an indication of a deeper understanding, and her insistence that there's purity to be found somewhere, out there, is a hint that there's something wrong.

Oh what would you know about it Greek? Purity is for surgical equipment and newborns! I have all I need and more. One doesn't create self-esteem you either have it or you don't, you are either content in a chosen lifestyle or you are not. A little childish of you I must say, especially when you seem to have neglected the context of this discussion. This isn't about me...nor is it about you and you don't understand wolfy at all (far less sea shells and butterflies). I never expected you to be petty. Pity. All in all I wish you luck. Take care of you and yours. Ciao!

Roman: So you're a tease? The real question is; why the fuck are you dating frat boys? You like the smell of their daddy's money?

I don't need to tease. I have my own money and you should learn to read through a thread. The frat girl and frat boy were the subject of the discussion.

 

[Orleander]

....Yep. I'd rather have dogs than a fat, unattractive spouse of which I could do no better than.
As far as changing them to my specifications...that statement right there shows what an ignorant c### you portray yourself to be.
I train my dogs pretty much the same way Cesar Millan does. I'm pretty sure you would be the only one to say that he 'changes dogs to his specifications'.

<sigh> why do you always sink to name calling.:shrug: You are so flipping hysterical sometimes.

I was talking about how you mutilate your dogs while telling yourself it makes them perform better. You know, surgically alter them. You control everything about them because you can't control....never mind.

Like you said, you choose to be alone. The sluts and the teases of the world thank you.

 

[Orleander]

....Trust me I'm fine. I find this thread rather amusing at this point. Especially since we already went out again.

and.....

 

[chris4355]

and.....

...and im taking it slow, we just went to the beach. To be honest I realized there are some things about her I don't really like, shes not over her ex cop boyfriend and she gets text messages every 5 minutes...

Moving on...