Lol. Can he perfectly introduce imperfection in this world to remain the only perfection, that being himself? Yes.
why do some theists believe in Darwinian evolution?
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Lol. Can he perfectly introduce imperfection in this world to remain the only perfection, that being himself? Yes.
LOL is right. The fact that you can not accept randomness in evolution but can accept that a god would introduce randomness in evolution is comedy.
But this is where the rationalization comes in doesn't it.
Why would it be so important to it to be the only perfection ? Define please.
Are you challenging it's creation as not being perfect ? If so are you then challenging your god ?
Why would it use evolution or our concept of evolution for creation ?
it would appear this god doesn't know what the hell it's doing and has taken a long time to create what in our eyes is it's finest creation yet, humans.
Which of course are imperfect.
That is not why I pointed it out. You were going on about evidence.. I was simply pointing out a flaw.
That is a subjective question as 'importance' of anything is determined by the subject. So ask God
Perfectly creating imperfect world = a perfect job.
Again a subjective question
Something that just comes into being.. Great.. Something that you code and then little by little you see the codes magnificence into something beautiful is something more genius.. Secondly time is relative
Of course.
786,
Not a flaw to me, but apparently to you. However, this flaw would then have also been created by your god, again why ? Yet you can't answer.
You have no answers yet you still put something "god" where it is not needed.
I was asking you. Don't you have an idea ? I would thought you would have some definitions about this god and why it does what it does. You are a theist correct ?
So now you have answers.
and again no answer.
No, not genius as many didn't make it. It's a stretch to call that perfection. So now we have a perfect being creating imperfection and some duds.
I don't know what you call watching a lion rip the intestines from a water buffalo stuck in mud through it's anus but I don't call that perfection.
I wouldn't call what humans have done to each other perfection either. We are the way we are because we have evolved to survive. Sometimes that means getting ugly. It makes more sense there is no god involved in that process than there is one unless it's a real SOB.
When you ask why questions, you should find that which doesn't fit more valuable then what does. If you're honest that is.
Not a flaw to me, but apparently to you. However, this flaw would then have also been created by your god, again why ? Yet you can't answer.
You have no answers yet you still put something "god" where it is not needed.
I was asking you. Don't you have an idea ? I would thought you would have some definitions about this god and why it does what it does. You are a theist correct ?
So now you have answers.
and again no answer.
No, not genius as many didn't make it. It's a stretch to call that perfection. So now we have a perfect being creating imperfection and some duds.
I don't know what you call watching a lion rip the intestines from a water buffalo stuck in mud through it's anus but I don't call that perfection.
I wouldn't call what humans have done to each other perfection either. We are the way we are because we have evolved to survive. Sometimes that means getting ugly. It makes more sense there is no god involved in that process than there is one unless it's a real SOB.
When you ask why questions, you should find that which doesn't fit more valuable then what does. If you're honest that is.
Because the flaws are the same, why should I provide an answer when you don't. Or science and religion on the same platform now
Definitions do not require answering 'why'- get yourself orientated first.
So now you have answers.
Wasn't really an answer to your previous question. I was only pointing out 'perfection' is maintained, something which I thought you might not understand.
Invalid question.
Who said this world was made to be perfect?
Different theists appear to hide their god of the gaps in different gaps. 786 hides it in the apparent randomness of genetic mutation. Lightgigantic hides his god in the brain and the subjective nature of personal experience.
There are no gaps if you understand the significance of random
PS: Mr. I don't buy it
Natural selection would still kill off mutations that are not beneficial, so God wouldn't be able to control evolution. And that still leaves non-evolutionary/biological events.
kx000
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Unless he literally came to Earth and killed off any species that threatened the master plan. God>Science.
kx000
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Maybe they were, but the bible is bull shit.
If God is omnipotent, then why would anything go off the master plan? Doesn't this imply a loss of control?
Empty supposition.
They weren't.
All of it? And we should just take YOUR word?
786,
Actually they should be consistent in explaining the why. For example, does god answer prayers ? If yes, then why not all ?
Why is it so important for god to be the only perfection ?
I know, just you being a smart#ss, no problem.
No, just one you can't answer, because you would have to place definitions on a god and nobody can do that. You're smart not to answer these questions because they are all just speculation on your part.
The problem starts when people want to pick and choose when they can define their god.
Getting back to the OP, the theist is punting with the question. Nothing in their text supports evolution, much contradicts it but if we are flexible with the theist and accept that the religious texts are not mean't to be science books, we allow them an escape route to accept the obvious.
Then you want to even have more of the pie and claim god is directing it.
Here for you:
"Something that just comes into being.. Great.. Something that you code and then little by little you see the codes magnificence into something beautiful is something more genius.. Secondly time is relative"
I think genius is implying perfection. But I wouldn't call it perfect. Alive yes, perfect no.
Actually they should be consistent in explaining the why. For example, does god answer prayers ? If yes, then why not all ?
Why is it so important for god to be the only perfection ?
I know, just you being a smart#ss, no problem.
No, just one you can't answer, because you would have to place definitions on a god and nobody can do that. You're smart not to answer these questions because they are all just speculation on your part.
The problem starts when people want to pick and choose when they can define their god.
Getting back to the OP, the theist is punting with the question. Nothing in their text supports evolution, much contradicts it but if we are flexible with the theist and accept that the religious texts are not mean't to be science books, we allow them an escape route to accept the obvious.
Then you want to even have more of the pie and claim god is directing it.
Here for you:
"Something that just comes into being.. Great.. Something that you code and then little by little you see the codes magnificence into something beautiful is something more genius.. Secondly time is relative"
I think genius is implying perfection. But I wouldn't call it perfect. Alive yes, perfect no.
kx000
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You can't tell me for a fact they weren't sent here as humans. Remember, the bible is full of shit.
kx000
Valued Senior Member
Pretty much
So you think we came from Aliens ? or were sent here by Aliens ?