why do some theists believe in Darwinian evolution?
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Marvellous! Introducing a strawman this early in the argument.
Also wrong. Evolution shows that at least some of the claims of theists are false.
Yeah well:The OP didn't specify any category of theists so there is no reason to go further
You were apparently wrong about that too.786 said:
'theism' doesn't say anything- religion does. Usually religions talk about 'this happened' and why, not 'how' (detailed).
Living beings adjust them self to the environment . There could have been brought some specie from God knows were , then dump them and let them self multiply and diversify according to the environment
Oh the philosophical argument? Didn't need to get that far out since I realized the OP was very general. Otherwise if you think you know 'how it happened'- then prove randomness to me again in the God of Science thread. If you can't then you're following philosophical gesturing being perpetuated as some 'scientific fact'.
Theism does not equal theists. And theists does not equal Christianity. There are 'theists' who don't follow any religion at all or even a scripture. They just believe in God. period. So what does evolution show about them?
Well my initial philosophical comment was because of the uncertainty of random.
Anyways, the point really is clear a theist can believe in evolution (my second paragraph) without any problems- so it is as full of point as your post is pointless.
Okay and in what way does it contradict? By the way the OP doesn't specify the type of 'theist'- so to bring in the specificity of the different religions probably won't do you good.
The topic is more general: theists and why they can believe in evolution.
Peace be unto you
I think theists can believe in evolution and most intelligent educated theists probably do. For them there is no contradiction, they rationalize that something created the universe and we evolved but the texts version are just mis-understood or mis-stated or just push it under the rug.
My point is that for me believing in evolution makes religion a non-starter. The non-specific claim of all religions is that they know there is a creator and they spell out in the texts how or who is doing the creating. If there was a religion that specifically said god created the universe but we evolved here over millions of years from lower life forms then we may have something.
Otherwise they are making claims they can't possibly know. So the belief in evolution for me does have a direct impact on my philosophical beliefs.
I believe all relgions are wrong. Nobody has that level of knowledge, at least not yet.
Oops, look at the post times.
It wasn't a reply to you but to arauca.
Ok.. thats good
kx000
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Baseball is a religion in my eyes. Christians, and Jews are nothing but closed minded fanatics. Yes, they have some correct ideas, but the idea of religion itself is unnecessary.
786,
How so ?
Understanding that we evolved here in a way that is in conflict with religious texts certainly places a burden on the belief in most religions. IOW, they are wrong if evolution is right, therefore it, evolution has a direct impact on our philosophical views.
Which is why most Theist's don't take their creation stories literally.
At least not in front of people who will question or challenge them
I do take creation seriously The creation of first cell.
You don't have any meaningful theory for cell creation.
There is no evidence for random. I just replaced it with God so its equivalent
(this is also a reply to Alex)