Why do people believe in God?

[Trek]

???

Are you trying to troll me? If not, please point out where you think I "failed".

No I’m not trolling you.
You fail to understand most if not everything I responded to you with

 

[Trek]

Well that is the problem then. There are more than "quite a few" and they are not "basically the same."

Some have similar themes some are profoundly different.

The problem seems to be yours

 

[Pinball1970]

The problem seems to be yours

Why don’t you just scroll and actually read the words creation in my snippets?



One Chinese myth involves a giant turtle "In the Chinese mythology, the creator goddess Nüwa cut the legs off the giant sea turtle Ao (simplified Chinese: 鳌; traditional Chinese: 鰲; pinyin: áo) and used them to prop up the sky after Gong Gong damaged Mount Buzhou, which had previously supported the heavens.[4]"





" San of southern Africa, termites were the first meat that God gave to humans, before all other animal meat was created. The flying termites were associated with supernatural creative powers, and creation stories of the San relate that the first humans came from a termite nest, considered to be God’s house. That is probably the reason that in rock art of the San (Bushman) north of the River Limpopo in Zimbabwe termites’ nests are depicted"

 

[Pinball1970]

The problem seems to be yours

Here a few more.


Pangu



In the beginning, there was nothing and the universe was in a featureless, formless primordial state. This primordial state coalesced into a cosmic egg for about 18,000 years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu emerged (or woke up) from the egg. Pangu inside the cosmic egg symbolizes Taiji.[2] Pangu is usually depicted as a primitive, hairy giant with horns on his head. Pangu began creating the world: he separated yin from yang with a swing of his giant axe, creating the earth (murky yin) and the sky (clear yang). To keep them separated, Pangu stood between them and pushed up the sky. With each day, the sky grew ten feet (3 meters) higher, the earth ten feet thicker, and Pangu ten feet taller. This task took yet another 18,000 years.


This one is Finnish


At first there were only primal waters and Sky. But Sky also had a daughter named Ilmatar. One day, Ilmatar descended to the waters and became pregnant. She gestated for a very long time in the waters not being able to give birth. One day a goldeneye was seeking a resting place and flew to the knee of Ilmatar, where it laid its eggs. As the bird incubated its eggs Ilmatar's knee grew warmer and warmer. Eventually she was burned by the heat and responded by moving her leg, dislodging the eggs that then fell and shattered in the waters. Land was formed from the lower part of one of the eggshells, while sky formed from the top. The egg whites turned into the moon and stars, and the yolk became the sun



American Indian-


The First or Dark World, Niʼ Hodiłhił (Navajo pronunciation: [nɪ̀ʔ xòtɪ̀ɬxɪ̀ɬ]) was small and centered on an island floating in the middle of four seas. The inhabitants of the first world were the four Diyin Dineʼé , the two Coyotes, the four rulers of the four seas, mist beings and various insect and bat people, the latter being the Air-Spirit People. The supernatural beings First Woman and First Man came into existence here and met for the first time after seeing each other's fire. The various beings on The First World started fighting with one another and thus had to depart by flying out through an opening in the east.


African


Ngai created humanity, the first man called Gikuyu, and the first woman called Mumbi. Ngai created a mountain "As his resting place when on inspection tour and as a sign of his wonders."[6] Gĩkũyũ and Mũmbi bore nine daughters who became the origins of 9 clans of Kikuyu people. "The names of the main clans are: (1) Acheera; (2) Agachikũ; (3) Airimũ; (4) Ambũi; (5) Angarĩ; (6) Anjirũ; (7) Angũi; (8) Ethaga; (9) Aithĩrandũ."



This creation involves vomiting celestial bodies.


Mbombo's creation tells that in the beginning, Mbombo was alone, darkness and primordial water covered all the earth. It would happen that Mbombo came to feel an intense pain in his stomach, and then Mbombo vomited the sun, the moon, and stars. The heat and light from the sun evaporated the water covering the earth, creating clouds, and after time, the dry hills emerged from the water. Then Mbombo vomited once more, bringing forth nine animals: the leopard, called Koy Bumba; the eagle, Ponga Bumba; the crocodile, Ganda Bumba; the fish.



Hawaiian



At the time that turned the heat of the earth,

At the time when the heavens turned and changed,

At the time when the light of the sun was subdued

To cause light to break forth,

At the time of the night of Makaliʻi (winter)

Then began the slime which established the earth,

The source of deepest darkness, of the depth of darkness,

The source of Night, of the depth of night

Of the depth of darkness,

Of the darkness of the sun in the depth of night,

Night is come,

Born is Night


This goes on to the creation of??? Fish and stuff in the water! Who’d have thought it? Indians features Coyotes, African Termites and Hawaii fish…

In the first wā, the sea urchins and limu (seaweed) were born. The limu was connected through its name to the land ferns. Some of these limu and fern pairs include: ʻEkaha and ʻEkahakaha, Limu ʻAʻalaʻula and ʻalaʻalawainui mint, Limu Manauea and Kalo Maunauea upland taro, Limu Kala and ʻakala berry. These plants were born to protect their sea cousins.

In the second wā, 73 types of fish. Some deep sea fish include Naiʻa (porpoise) and the Mano (shark). Also reef fish, including Moi and Weke. Certain plants that have similar names are related to these fish and are born as protectors of the fish

 

[Pinball1970]

The problem seems to be yours

I mean if you try (really really try) you can somehow equate vomiting stars and the moon into orbit the same as getting them from eggs you can do.

Yhwh didnt do either of course he just created them, all three are totally different.

Hawaiians get their priorities straight and do the sea weed and fish first whereas some African tribes get creation from a termites nest and Elands, features of their particular environment.

Some times we get a first man and woman sometimes just a woman like the finnish or a big hairy giant like Pangu and I have only posted 4 or 5.

The more I post, the more diverse they become and but can clearly see the pattern of features key areas of their lives, hunting, habitat, food stuffs and tribal culture popping into the stories.

 

[Trek]

One Chinese myth involves a giant turtle "In the Chinese mythology, the creator goddess Nüwa cut the legs off the giant sea turtle Ao (simplified Chinese: 鳌; traditional Chinese: 鰲; pinyin: áo) and used them to prop up the sky after Gong Gong damaged Mount Buzhou, which had previously supported the heavens.[4]"

Thats not the creation story.
Story goes she created people out of mud.

Genesis: Let US make man in our image

" San of southern Africa, termites were the first meat that God gave to humans, before all other animal meat was created. The flying termites were associated with supernatural creative powers, and creation stories of the San relate that the first humans came from a termite nest, considered to be God’s house. That is probably the reason that in rock art of the San (Bushman) north of the River Limpopo in Zimbabwe termites’ nests are depicted"

The San peoples, spread across Southern Africa, believe that a benevolent god called Kaang created all things.

Does that sound familiar?

 

[Pinball1970]

Thats not the creation story.
Story goes she created people out of mud.

Genesis: Let US make man in our image

Yes there is even a flood therefore Genesis?

Nüwa created humanity due to her loneliness, which grew more intense over time. She molded yellow earth or, in other versions, yellow clay into the shape of people. These individuals later became the wealthy nobles of society, because they had been created by Nüwa's own hands. However, the majority of humanity was created when Nüwa dragged string across mud to mass-produce them, which she did because creating every person by hand was too time- and energy-consuming. This creation story gives an aetiological explanation for the social hierarchy in ancient China. The nobility believed that they were more important than the mass-produced majority of humanity, because Nüwa took time to create them, and they had been directly touched by her hand.[26] In another version of the creation of humanity, Nüwa and Fuxi were survivors of a great flood. By the command of the God of the heaven, they were married and Nüwa had a child which was a ball of meat. This ball of meat was cut into small pieces, and the pieces were scattered across the world, which then became humans.[27]

 

[Pinball1970]

The San peoples, spread across Southern Africa, believe that a benevolent god called Kaang created all things.

Does that sound familiar?

That emerged from a tree? Why do you keep leaving things out?

"First Kaang created a wondrous tree, with branches stretching over the entire country. At the base of the tree he duga hole that reached all the way down into the world where the people and animals lived. After he had finishedfurnishing the world as he pleased he led the first man up the hole. He sat down on the edge of the hole and soon thefirst woman came up out of it. Soon all the people were gathered at the foot of the tree, awed by the world they hadjust entered. Next, Kaang began helping the animals climb out of the hole. In their eagerness some of the animalsfound a way to climb up through the tree's roots and come out of the branches. They continued racing out of theworld beneath until all of the animals were out."

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Do you accept that children bein raped is inevitable in the Holey-Bible Gods creation plan.???

I believe that rape is attributed to aspects of the human condition. I believe we choose to allow ourselves to become addicted gratifying our senses, which can if we are greedy snd lustful get out of hand and take over

I take that as a yes… an horror like child torture is one of the reasons im not drawn to HBGB <---(holey-bible-god-beleifs).!!!

Do the inevitable horrors of life have any effect on you'r belief in God.???

Do you thank God knew that the creation plan he chose to put into effect woud lead to such horrors.???

 

[Trek]

Here a few more.


Pangu



In the beginning, there was nothing and the universe was in a featureless, formless primordial state. This primordial state coalesced into a cosmic egg for about 18,000 years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu emerged (or woke up) from the egg. Pangu inside the cosmic egg symbolizes Taiji.[2] Pangu is usually depicted as a primitive, hairy giant with horns on his head. Pangu began creating the world: he separated yin from yang with a swing of his giant axe, creating the earth (murky yin) and the sky (clear yang). To keep them separated, Pangu stood between them and pushed up the sky. With each day, the sky grew ten feet (3 meters) higher, the earth ten feet thicker, and Pangu ten feet taller. This task took yet another 18,000 years.

This sounds very familiar to the biblical, Vedic, and other accounts of creation myths. Different names slightly different accounts, but similar

This one is Finnish
At first there were only primal waters and Sky. But Sky also had a daughter named Ilmatar. One day, Ilmatar descended to the waters and became pregnant. She gestated for a very long time in the waters not being able to give birth. One day a goldeneye was seeking a resting place and flew to the knee of Ilmatar, where it laid its eggs. As the bird incubated its eggs Ilmatar's knee grew warmer and warmer. Eventually she was burned by the heat and responded by moving her leg, dislodging the eggs that then fell and shattered in the waters. Land was formed from the lower part of one of the eggshells, while sky formed from the top. The egg whites turned into the moon and stars, and the yolk became the sun

This one is definitely just a compilation of poems and folklore. It is attributed to one man who was himself a priest

American Indian-


The First or Dark World, Niʼ Hodiłhił (Navajo pronunciation: [nɪ̀ʔ xòtɪ̀ɬxɪ̀ɬ]) was small and centered on an island floating in the middle of four seas. The inhabitants of the first world were the four Diyin Dineʼé , the two Coyotes, the four rulers of the four seas, mist beings and various insect and bat people, the latter being the Air-Spirit People. The supernatural beings First Woman and First Man came into existence here and met for the first time after seeing each other's fire. The various beings on The First World started fighting with one another and thus had to depart by flying out through an opening in the east.

It begins with a dark uninhabited world, not much different to the biblical account “Now, the world was void and without firm and darkness was upon…”

African


Ngai created humanity, the first man called Gikuyu, and the first woman called Mumbi. Ngai created a mountain "As his resting place when on inspection tour and as a sign of his wonders."[6] Gĩkũyũ and Mũmbi bore nine daughters who became the origins of 9 clans of Kikuyu people. "The names of the main clans are: (1) Acheera; (2) Agachikũ; (3) Airimũ; (4) Ambũi; (5) Angarĩ; (6) Anjirũ; (7) Angũi; (8) Ethaga; (9) Aithĩrandũ."

There are parallels with Hindu culture.

This creation involves vomiting celestial bodies.

Mbombo's creation tells that in the beginning, Mbombo was alone, darkness and primordial water covered all the earth. It would happen that Mbombo came to feel an intense pain in his stomach, and then Mbombo vomited the sun, the moon, and stars. The heat and light from the sun evaporated the water covering the earth, creating clouds, and after time, the dry hills emerged from the water. Then Mbombo vomited once more, bringing forth nine animals: the leopard, called Koy Bumba; the eagle, Ponga Bumba; the crocodile, Ganda Bumba; the fish.

Again there are parallels with Hindu culture.
Different names (more African), slightly different accounts but very similar

 

[Trek]

I take that as a yes… an horror like child torture is one of the reasons im not drawn to HBGB <---(holey-bible-god-beleifs).!!!

Why would you do that?
Did you read what I wrote?

Do the inevitable horrors of life have any effect on you'r belief in God.???

Not up to now?
Why do you think it should?

Do you thank God knew that the creation plan he chose to put into effect woud lead to such horrors.???

What plan did God put into effect?

 

[Trek]

That emerged from a tree? Why do you keep leaving things out?

A long time ago, all the humans and animals lived peacefully together with the great god Kaang..

Why do you keep leaving things out
Katanga decided to create a world separate to the already created world he lived in.

 

[James R]

This one is definitely just a compilation of poems and folklore. It is attributed to one man who was himself a priest

How is the bible different? It is also a compilation of carefully-chosen texts. More authors (many unidentifiable) somehow makes it more plausible than the folklore of other civilisations?

 

[Trek]

How is the bible different?

You’d know if you read the history of the Finnish mythology.

It is also a compilation of carefully-chosen texts. More authors (many unidentifiable) somehow makes it more plausible than the folklore of other civilisations?

We’re not discussing plausibility.
We’re discussing creation myths and how they differ compared to there similarities.

 

[Pinball1970]

A long time ago, all the humans and animals lived peacefully together with the great god Kaang..

Why do you keep leaving things out
Katanga decided to create a world separate to the already created world he lived in.

If you think all these stories are "essentially the same" then I cannot help you.

I don’t suppose it matters to you that none of these stories bear no resemblance whatsoever to what we know about science?

How the universe the earth and life on it came to be?
That there was no creation? We evolved from ancestral populations of primates?

Nothing to do with termites, eggs, Elands or someone vomiting stars and moons.

People believe in gods because they were fed these kind of creation myths from the previous generation, all different, all products of their own environments.

Now we know better.

 

[Pinball1970]

You’d know if you read the history of the Finnish mythology.

We’re not discussing plausibility.
We’re discussing creation myths and how they differ compared to there similarities.

I like the Finnish one

Ilmatar descended to the waters and became pregnant. She gestated for a very long time in the waters not being able to give birth. One day a goldeneye was seeking a resting place and flew to the knee of Ilmatar, where it laid its eggs. As the bird incubated its eggs Ilmatar's knee grew warmer and warmer. Eventually she was burned by the heat and responded by moving her leg, dislodging the eggs that then fell and shattered in the waters. Land was formed from the lower part of one of the eggshells, while sky formed from the top. The egg whites turned into the moon and stars, and the yolk became the sun

 

[Trek]

If you think all these stories are "essentially the same" then I cannot help you.

Don’t worry about it.
We have different worldviews.
We look at things differently

I don’t suppose it matters to you that none of these stories bear no resemblance whatsoever to what we know about science?

What does science say about the cause of the cosmic manifestation and creation of the universe?

How the universe the earth and life on it came to be?
That there was no creation? We evolved from ancestral populations of primates?

Do all scientists accept this?

Nothing to do with termites, eggs, Elands or someone vomiting stars and moons.

Regardless of the details it’s accepted that the material manifestation was the creation by a deity of sorts.

People believe in gods because they were fed these kind of creation myths from the previous generation, all different, all products of their own environments.

I wasn’t fed those kinds of creation myths.
It was always obvious to me without having to know about religion or scripture.
The scriptures merely explained what I already thought.

Now we know better.

You mean your worldview is supported by what you have learned. Doesn’t mean you know something and theists don’t.

 

[Pinball1970]

We have different worldviews.

Accepting that getting a celestial body from an egg or simply vomiting one out is not a world view. They are just different.

What does science say about the cause of the cosmic manifestation and creation of the universe?

An awful lot, so much so they have developed entire disciplines around them, Cosmology and Astrophysics. I have not heard first cause mentioned, William Lane Craig talks about that a lot but he is not a physicist.
BB theory has a tonne of evidence to support it.

Do all scientists accept this?

Serious ones yes.

Regardless of the details it’s accepted that the material manifestation was the creation by a deity of sorts.

By who?

I wasn’t fed those kinds of creation myths.

Nor me after the age of 12, my religion was based around Jesus.

You mean your worldview is supported by what you have learned.

As is everyone.

Doesn’t mean you know something and theists don’t.

I was a theist at University and called myself a "christian scientist." Plenty of very smart people are theists, that is not an issue. The issues for me begin when science is denied to children because of religion.

 

[James R]

You’d know if you read the history of the Finnish mythology.

So you can't say? Okay.

 

[Trek]

So you can't say? Okay.

No need to.
You can find out for yourself just like I did