SAM said:
The fact that no athiest group has ever established a family, community or country anywhere in the world without first belonging to a theist family, community or country says it all.
Once again this ridiculous assertion. The only backing for it is a personal, unsubstantiated opinion that Navajos are really theists, all Buddhists are theists, all animists are theists, anyoen with a religion, in fact,is a theist, and anyone SAM thinks has a religion has one.
But the Hitlers are all closet atheists. Somehow, they
have to be.
It would be silly only, except it illustrates something that is not silly: there's apparently a real problem with strong, childhood inculcated theistic belief. SAM does not make these kinds of errors on her job, while driving a car, etc. This topic - and only this topic -is untouchable by ordinary reason.
Like this:
SAM said:
Even atheists are forced to admit that unlike theistic scriptures which speak volumes about relationships, atheism says nothing at all about any prosocial concepts.
Well duh. And the point of that?
Or this:
SAM said:
You could also bring up scriptures that emphasize some key elements of communism... but so what?
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You don't see many theists embracing it, do you? If and when they do, it will probably work.
Lots have - the early Christain Church was replete with communes, most monasteries operated as communes, etc. Many theistic red tribes operated as communists, in the Americas. They lasted a while, then disappeared for one reason ot another (often: being conquered by other theists) - I believe you call that "failing".
SAM said:
I've seen dogs eating dog. Thats the only reason I can think of why a dog would drag fresh meat across the road
I've seen dogs rescue dogs, dogs rescue children, dogs rescue cats, dogs rescue rabbits, etc, and not eat them. Dogs will rescue members of their pack - will risk their lives to rescue members of their pack - of any species. Apparently, dogs have a theist nature? Or is that a Buddha nature? Or WTF are you talking about?
I've never seen a dog eat a dog. Nevertheless I believe you, when you say you have. But the idea that because you cannot think of any reason a dog would rescue a dog, and not eat it, means it did not happen, is one hell of a symptom. And one I run into a lot in arguments with theists: they can't think of any way an eyeball could evolve, therefore it didn't. They can't think of any reason people would be kind to each other except from childhood religious nurturing, therefore they aren't. They can't think of any way a truly theistic person would do evil, therefore evildoers must be atheists.
Your lack of imagination does not constrain the real world - or even the possible world.
