Why are people against communism?

I don't need to look it up. I spent the better part of my evenings in high school cleaning toilets to save money to purchase a house and pay for my educational expenses for when I started university.. I am the working class.

You on the other hand are nothing but a troll using soundbites because you seem to believe that dictators like Lenin are somehow 'cool'.
You don't know me, so I would kindly ask you to not jump to conclusions. I already said Lenin was not a perfect man, but the mere fact that he spurred the uprising is reason enough for me to respect him; I respect him for bringing to attention the gross injustice of the time period.


All of which you use.

Tell me, who makes your shoes? Do you check? Do you check who makes your clothes and check to make sure they are not using exploitation to save you a few bucks? How about your computer and phone? TV? The chocolates you probably consume? I could go on. I would guess you do none of those things. You see, you are a hypocrite. Tell me, how often to do you go out and help the homeless or those less fortunate than you? How much do you go out and act like a true Marxist and lobby for the "peasant class"? Seeing that you cannot even determine who or what constitutes the working class in today's society, I can already guess your answer.
I volunteer quite regularly, actually, thank you very much; and I donate when I can. And yes, I know that I use the things made by sweatshop workers...and that is why I want them to be well compensated, and provided their due, even if I have to pay more for these products. What's your point?


So what do you do to help the people of Brazil? You know, actually help them and not use a soapbox to further your own aspirations? How many homeless children have you helped save or lobbied to save from death squads roaming the poor areas in Brazil?
I am pointing out the injustice in Brazil; there are already many adamant Brazilians fighting for land reform, and fighting for their rights. I voice my opinion here, in the good ol' United States; we all have our own fights to fight. But that doesn't mean I can't at least voice my concern over the injustice in Brazil, an injustice which you pretend is the result of democracy.l


It is not for you to determine who should be wealthy and who deserves anything. Her subjects like her and love her as their Queen. They don't want to get rid of her. Or has that fact escaped you?
Then it's fair that her wealth is the result of, literally, centuries of exploitation and conquest? It's fair that people are born into privileged and wealthy lives, just because their ancestors were "blue-blooded"?

I think not.


I'm also tired of discussing Lenin; you can believe what you want, but history favors him, and I will admire his revolutionary spirit. Enough about Lenin.

By harping on an internet forum?
Yes, why not? That is what many people do on internet forums, especially political ones.
Why don't you put your words into practice and channel Ernesto and go out and actually see for yourself the deplorable situation of the native population of our home country? I am guessing you are American? Why don't you go out and onto the reservation and try to help them combat the rampant alcoholism and drug abuse? Actually do something worthwhile instead of being the hypocritical little snot you are currently being on this forum. You're all about 'rah rah communism rah rah'. You have no true idea of what the people want or their current social condition. You just dream of homocidal power like Lenin..
Actually I'd rather not be one of the higher ups, too much responsibility and pressure. I do, however, believe that a virtuous leadership will be quite essential to successful communism

And you are a snotty punk who judges people you do not know. Quite immature of you, really.

Marx was also very poor at one point.. He knew the very meaning of poverty. Tell me, how often have you wondered where your next meal would come from? How often have you seen your parents planting vegetables because it was the only way they could know where their next meal was going to come from? I have been there. You obviously have not.
Actually, I have. I grew up in poverty. How about you stop being so high and mighty and judging those you do not know?
So yes, I sneer at little snots like yourself thinking 'rah rah revolution' when you know nothing about the human condition or human nature itself.
I sneer at snots like yourself who want nothing more than to preserve the system of hierarchy and exploitation.

Lenin was an opportunist because he saw the USSR as only being able to be led by him.. There was no vote or election to put him in place.
Many Bolsheviks and Soviets enthusiastically rallied behind Lenin.

Right.. So tell me, where does 're-educating' the masses come into social justice?
People who don't believe in social justice will be made to understand it. Simple. You don't have the right to be an elitist exploiter.

And you think denying the "peasants" their religious beliefs and their culture is better? Do you know one of the biggest issues with the USSR was the fact that people were denied their basic human rights?
You don't have the right to believe in a religion which calls for murder, enslavement, and conquest.

To only select few. Others were left to starve to death or were killed.
Nonsense. The Soviet Union produced many brilliant scientists and academics.

Which is their choice and their right.
Neither do you
No, you do not have the right to support exploitation. Tell me, o' wise one, does a person have the right to believe in Nazism? Of course not! And capitalism is as vicious, indeed an instrument of the fascist.

I have the right to vote as I choose to. You do not have the right to assume that anyone should be 're-educated' to think like you do.
You do not have the right, for example, to vote for a Nazi, or a vicious capitalist. This is not your right; it is an infringement of the rights of others.

You see, if you were a true communist, you would have gained some support. Alas you're nothing but a soundbite, and an uneducated one at that and yes, a troll.
Actually, you are a vicious elitist who thinks that society should function as a hierarchy, who defends monarchism, who defends feudal land ownership, who defends capitalism, and yes, who labels it a "right" that you should be able to vote for the capitalist.

You are the troll, and quite an awful one at that.
 
Oh the irony.

Where is the irony?

Is it wrong that I believe in compassion, sharing, community, loyalty, and a sense of debt to society?

Is it wrong that I want men to live free, in peace, and in communism, that is, where no man is a subject of some crown or a capitalist, but is working for his community?

Is that wrong?
 
Is it wrong that I want men to live free, in peace, and in communism, that is, where no man is a subject of some crown or a capitalist, but is working for his community?

Is that wrong?
What you claim to want is a contradiction. How can men be free under a dictatorship? How can they be at peace when the government takes everything they have and keeps them under it's boot more firmly, brutally, and severely than any capitalist or king ever did?
 
What you claim to want is a contradiction. How can men be free under a dictatorship? How can they be at peace when the government takes everything they have and keeps them under it's boot more firmly, brutally, and severely than any capitalist or king ever did?

It is a dictatorship of the proletariat, of the people. And the government doesn't "take everything you have", the PEOPLE do, and that is because you owe society and you will pay whether you like it or not.

No man is an island.
 
It is a dictatorship of the proletariat, of the people. And the government doesn't "take everything you have", the PEOPLE do, and that is because you owe society and you will pay whether you like it or not.

No man is an island.
Then don't claim you support freedom or peace. You support an absolute dictatorship (in the name of "the people", of course) which is as far from free as you can get.
 
Then don't claim you support freedom or peace. You support an absolute dictatorship (in the name of "the people", of course) which is as far from free as you can get.

I support a dictatorship OF THE PEOPLE, not "in the name of the people". As in, there is no one single dictator.
 
Where is the irony?

Communism is an abuse and exploitation of human beings. You pretend to reward people and they pretend to work for you. The few who buy into it will be overworked, hate you, and abandon the system.

Is it wrong that I believe in compassion, sharing, community, loyalty, and a sense of debt to society?

Right and wrong don't objectively exist; however, it is very incorrect to think that what you value is equally valued by all other humans.

Is it wrong that I want men to live free, in peace, and in communism, that is, where no man is a subject of some crown or a capitalist, but is working for his community?

Is that wrong?

My answer is the same as above. If you want a system of governance then a combination democracy and socialism is the way to go. If you want a system of economics then capitalism is just fine. Government of course can regulate capitalism and capitalism should be forbidden from everything even remotely government related. Denmark does just this and not only do they flourish, they have the happiest people on Earth ever.

To ignore a success like Denmark and try an adopt a failed system like Communism is just stupid.
 
Denmark is better than the US, to be sure, but it is still not true egalitarianism...it still maintains elements of hierarchy (classism) and capitalism. I do not like this.

I don't see why everyone shouldn't be enthusiastic about the opportunity to serve their community.
 
Denmark is better than the US, to be sure, but it is still not true egalitarianism...it still maintains elements of hierarchy (classism) and capitalism. I do not like this.

Denmark is not only better than the US. It is the best on Earth. It is not intended to be egalitarianism nor should it be. It has democracy, socialism, and capitalism. The government is for the people by the people and capitalistic/speial interest are now allowed to participate. Capitalism is their economic vehicle and the government keeps it regulated.

If you don't like the best system on Earth then that is your personal preference.

I don't see why everyone shouldn't be enthusiastic about the opportunity to serve their community.

That is because you have a poor or absent understanding of human values.
 
And what are you? A dogmatist for capitalism. No better.

No, I am not. I do my very best to not be dogmatic about anything. Dogma is the enemy of reason. No matter how convinced you are that something is true, you have to leave room for doubt. Absolute certainty is reserved for fanatics.
 
Crunchy Cat, I am not a utilitarian. Denmark may be the happiest, but that does not make hierarchy or classism moral. I want true equality for all men.
 
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