Who are more moral? Men or women?

[Greatest I am]

Who are more moral? Men or women?

I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.

I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would.

I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do.

Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.

Is the Jewish view the correct one?

Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Regards
DL

 

[Thoreau]

Morality and theology are unrelated. One can exist without the other.

 

[Yazata]

Who are more moral? Men or women?

I'm going to ignore your theological speculations.

My view is that men and women are about equal, morally speaking.

There may be some differences in how immorality expresses itself in men and women though.

Men are more prone to physical violence. But in an institutional environment where physical violence is the unseen result of signing a paper or pushing a button, I think that women can be just as aggressive as men.

Men seem to be bigger rule-breakers than women. For a man, breaking a rule can often be an assertion of his manhood. But this gap seems to be closing, as adolescent girls embrace rule-breaking as style-statement too. But even then, female rule-breaking is more apt to take the form of sluttiness than trying to become a male-style bad-ass.

Women seem to be more prone than men to rip people apart verbally behind their backs. If you overhear a group of women talking, they are seemingly always talking about somebody who isn't there, while groups of men will more often be discussing sports or cars or something abstract or inanimate.

And finally, I have to say that some of the most persistent con-artists out there are female. They are often very good at it.

 

[wynn]

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Which is worse:
to casually risk and sacrifice one's health, and even one's life and the life of others for the sake of someone else's pleasure,
or
to choose to be the recipient of such actions?

 

[cosmictraveler]

Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?

Religions are non democratic so you'll never have any type of equality within them.

Governments that are democratic do have some equality within their structures and can achieve some equality.

 

[Aqueous Id]

I can't generalize as to men or women, but your statement about achieving apotheosis is curious.

 

[billvon]

Which is worse:
to casually risk and sacrifice one's health, and even one's life and the life of others for the sake of someone else's pleasure,
or
to choose to be the recipient of such actions?

Neither women nor men are the exclusive "recipients" of pleasure, so the question is not really applicable to the poster's premise.

 

[Syne]

As morality relates to sin, and sin to irrationality, I believe it's clear which gender tends to frequent irrationality more.

 

[kx000]

What about lobsters, to dolphins?

 

[Me-Ki-Gal]

don't know. Women are more intuitive . Or to say better listeners . They actually hear better then men . The smallest scratch on a wooden surface and they are looking your direction while men go about there business . Woman hears better hands down . I can tell A sexual escapade storeis and the men in the room can't her it . They can't amortize the subject matter so they tune it out as just white noise I think .
Who are more evil would be a better way to put it . That I don't know either . Both are pretty evil when you get down to it . I like woman better though . Most of them are more docile when you rub there bellies. Men tend to get anci and want to go take a shower when you rub there bellies . Maybe it is because I am a man . They might tolerate it more if I was a woman

 

[Emil]

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Defines morality.

 

[Pandaemoni]

As morality relates to sin, and sin to irrationality, I believe it's clear which gender tends to frequent irrationality more.

Which one? I know people who'd say "women," but on the other hand, I've never seen a woman start a bar fight.

 

[Syne]

Are bar fights a daily occurrence for some, and does that factor in the alcohol?

 

[Greatest I am]

Morality and theology are unrelated. One can exist without the other.

I agree. Christianity does exactly that.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I'm going to ignore your theological speculations.

My view is that men and women are about equal, morally speaking.

There may be some differences in how immorality expresses itself in men and women though.

Men are more prone to physical violence. But in an institutional environment where physical violence is the unseen result of signing a paper or pushing a button, I think that women can be just as aggressive as men.

Men seem to be bigger rule-breakers than women. For a man, breaking a rule can often be an assertion of his manhood. But this gap seems to be closing, as adolescent girls embrace rule-breaking as style-statement too. But even then, female rule-breaking is more apt to take the form of sluttiness than trying to become a male-style bad-ass.

Women seem to be more prone than men to rip people apart verbally behind their backs. If you overhear a group of women talking, they are seemingly always talking about somebody who isn't there, while groups of men will more often be discussing sports or cars or something abstract or inanimate.

And finally, I have to say that some of the most persistent con-artists out there are female. They are often very good at it.

Thanks for this.

Does that explain well enough for you why our jails are 95% male and 5% female?

Further, if men have no better morals than women, are religions run by men chauvinistic and male centered and should they be?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Which is worse:
to casually risk and sacrifice one's health, and even one's life and the life of others for the sake of someone else's pleasure,
or
to choose to be the recipient of such actions?

I have questions above. Speak to them or be gone.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Religions are non democratic so you'll never have any type of equality within them.

Governments that are democratic do have some equality within their structures and can achieve some equality.

Look at any political house and it's stats and try to say that with a straight face.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I can't generalize as to men or women, but your statement about achieving apotheosis is curious.

Yes. Few admit it without pulling out some dogma. I have none to sell and no proof to offer. I am up front with it for any that wish to question me on it.
Let me rephrase a bit. My dogma to you is doubt everything and try to look at questions from all sides. That's it.


The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship, it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

As morality relates to sin, and sin to irrationality, I believe it's clear which gender tends to frequent irrationality more.

Those that run governments and religions at present. Right? Men?

Regards
DL

 

[Syne]

Those that run governments and religions at present. Right? Men?

Are you a woman, or have you just not lived with a woman lately? Granted some are less irrational than others, but stereotypes do not develop in a vacuum.